John McCain...Donald Trump

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  1. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Did McCain know that? What was he supposed to with the dossier once it was given to him?
     
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    No.

    What it shows is that after Trump was elected, McCain gave the FBI something they already had, because they helped create it.
     
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    Where did you get that.Buzzfeed was the origin of the Steele Dossier.
    That Dossier was compiled by Former British spy Christopher Steele
    who formerly worked the Russian desk for MI6.That dossier claimed " that
    the Russian government had cultivated,supported and assisted Trump for years.
    And that the Kremlin was holding incriminating material about Trump,
    including a sex tape from a Moscow hotel room."
     
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    And that is the question I don't have the answer to, and the only reason I'm not going to accuse McCain of wrong-doing at this point.

    The part that concerns me is that he didn't just give it to the FBI.

    He also leaked it to the media.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    " and sleep in Holiday Inn ". You meant " slept " right.
    Say you aren't halfway illiterate.Just for arguments sake.
     
  6. liberalminority

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    President Trump is like bill clinton on social issues, it was not a danger to national security then or now
     
  7. Etbauer

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    Buzzfeed published it, they weren't the origin. It was the washington examiner that founded it.
     
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    I beg your Press credentials.Buzzfeed was THE First U.S. source
    for publication and release as what became known as the - Steele Dossier -.
    They were the source or origin of it's First being reported stateside.
     
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    It does seem like they already knew about it, but that's the way it should work. An informant gives you information, you look into it, especially something this profound. McCain gets it and reports it (like any non-criminal would). If they already had it and were working the case... ok good.
     
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    The Washington Examiner doesn't found stuff.They Report via articles
    or sometimes Investigative Journalism.
    They did not found the - Steele Dossier.- not even a nice try.
    If anything it was The Clinton Campaign in concert with the DNC
    and Fusion GPS who founded the - Steele Dossier -.Plus little
    bug of a man { John McCain } doing his part to insure the humiliation and
    constant hounding of one President Trump.
     
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    Yes, but they weren't the ones that initially bankrolled it and funded it. That was the washington examiner.
     
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    They do fund research. They initially hired fusion gps to provide opposition research on trump. That is the origin of the dossier. Eventually it was picked up by clinton, and McCain was given a copy. McCain then did what any non-traitor would do and handed it over to the authorities.
     
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    Who knew about the existence of the dossier before McCain got it.

    Who gave it to McCain or made him aware of it.

    Also, why would McCain leak it to the media.

    By the time McCain had it, the FBI had publicly disassociated with Steele. Of course, they stayed in contact via Ohr. Why?
     
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    Buzzfeed got the go ahead from McCabe after Comey reported that salacious misintel was out there by telling Trump about it when Trump told Comey he didn't need an intelligence briefing. Considering all that has happened since the setup.. I'd say Pres Trump would have been much better off without that intelligence briefing. The whole "Russia investigation " is nothing but a coup attempt by the Deep State that continues to this day.. the Deep State is as corrupt as an African dictator and trying to cover for themselves , HRC and Obama. Personally, it makes me very angry (and somewhat dumbfounded that they actually are this corrupt)
     
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    there was an african who ran the deep state before President Trump took over

    it was like idi amin running a white country and ruining it.
     
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    Are we now pretending to know somebodies mind?
    That being said, he apparently got it from steele. The release to the media was kramer, not McCain, but it is the strangest part. However, a believable reason would be to make sure there is a plan b if the investigation is being covered up, or nobody is looking into it.
    Well, if what steele was providing them was less reliable or informative than what they were already working on, but why not keep a channel open if he comes up with something better? I don't think the dossier really played much of any part in the investigation, it just really got under trump's skin.
     
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    More lizard people. How could there be a coup in the US?
     
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    Who introduced him to Steele? It had to have been someone who already knew about the dossier.

    Sure. The guy McCain sent to meet Steele leaked it and McCain knew nothing about it.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-detailed-deposition-david-kramer/3205658002/

    Kramer's deposition lays out what happened.

    McCain directed Kramer to travel to London to meet with Steele. During that one-day trip in his "personal capacity," Steele met Kramer at the airport and identified himself via text message as the man wearing a blue coat, holding a Financial Times newspaper.

    Steele drove Kramer to his home and Kramer read the dossier in his living room.

    After a lunch a nearby pub, Steele told Kramer “that he thought having Senator McCain weigh in would be hopeful in terms of giving the FBI additional prod to take this seriously,” Kramer said.

    Kramer added later that "... I think he (Steele) felt that ... having Sen. McCain provide it to the FBI would give it a little more oomph than it had had up until that point."
     
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    Should we then assume that it is unreasonable to think that a subordinate acted outside of someone's knowledge?
     
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    Certainly possible.

    As I've said several times, this unanswered question is the only reason I haven't had a go at McCain.

    I don't yet know what his level of knowledge was.....if he was in on the FBI/DOJ scheme.....or if he was just used to give the report validity as a Republican.

    Kramer certainly knew why Steele wanted to give it to McCain. We also know Steele was still in contact with the FBI via Ohr.
     
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    As petty and vindictive as McCain was when it came to President Trump, I'm fairly certain he knew the dossier was leaked, in fact he most likely asked that it be leaked.
     
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    McCain was a seedy dirtbag who started a fight with Trump.

    McCain's sycophants are crying because Trump fought back.

    And I say this as someone who thinks Trump is a spineless buffoon.
     
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    Uh, no... that would be the army of unhinged Trump-haters who still cannot accept the fact that Trump won the presidential election fair and square.

    They've been crying and whining like babies for over two years now.

    Trump, as much of a coward and idiot as he is, is right to fight back against his lowlife enemies.
     
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    Why? Because he bombed a bunch of Vietnamese people and got shot down while he was doing it?

    Or because he spent his entire political career enriching and empowering himself at the expense of the entire country?

    Is there a single thing that McCain did throughout his life that provided one measurable, tangible benefit to ordinary Americans? Because if there is, I haven't seen it.

    The truth is, McCain was nothing more than an opportunistic narcissist who rode in the wake of his powerful father and grandfather. So in that respect, he's a lot like Trump. The only difference is that Trump was smart enough to avoid fighting in a war that was based on lies and imperialist aggression.
     
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  25. Ethereal

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    Aww, poor little McCain had to fly around in a jet dropping bombs on Vietnamese farmers only to get shot down and captured.
     

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