America Does not have a violence or gun problem. America has a black problem

So you have no idea what discrimination is. Got it.

 

Oh another poor oppressed white male who can’t understand the history of bigotry. Don’t You miss those good old days?

 

What you don’t understand is there a difference between forming a group because of exclusion to be included. We did not need a white congressional caucus because it was a given. We did not need a white Miss America because it was a given That she would be white.
This country gave privileges to white males and now they’re upset because they have to share of the pie

 

No,that's BS. If you want racial segregation with black caucuses, then you're gonna get racial segregation all across the board.

and no toots, you're not gonna like the outcome. You'll get your racial segregation because you demanded it.

 

Yeah actually I do. Apparently you do not.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/discrimination

the treatment of a person or particular group of people differently, in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated:

 

What does that stupidity even mean?

 

You're right. I don't understand that.

You're asserting that it was wrong to exclude blacks from certain groups and privileges and policies and programs. So your solution is to now exclude Whites from certain groups and privileges and policies and programs?

No I don't understand that, you'll need to explain it to me.

 

Well poopsie, it’s Too bad that you don’t understand the effects of bigotry on certain groups. I am sure in your world black people and white people have always been equal and there is no legacy of racism

 

I guess the first question would be do whites want to be included in black caucuses? This is what you don’t understand. White people never needed the things that blacks and women want because they always had it! It’s like a low income housing project where you have to have a low income to get into it. Would you be fighting how unfair it is that you can’t be in this dangerous inferior housing? But yet on the other hand like Trump and his dad if you were black you couldn’t live in their buildings

 

Right, so you understand that you aren't discriminated against. Very good.

 

No.... the question is if we started a white congressional caucus whose explicit goal was to advocate for policy and programs that explicitly benefit whites, would you consider it acceptable and not racist or discriminatory?

 

No I’m fully aware that I am discriminated against. I’m denied government funds that I pay for, based on the SOLE fact that my skin color is white while every other race has access to those funds.

That’s the epitome of racial discrimination.

 

We have had that for generations...now we want to level the playing field.

 

What specifically are you denied because you are white ? There are plenty of funds for white people .It’s like you have victim envy

 

No, you don't want to level the playing field. You want to punish white people for the actions of other white people from years ago. You don't want equality. You want inequality in the blacks favor.

Look, if you want equality. I'll fight side by side with you in that fight and i'll fight to the death. But if what you want is inequality in your favor with a boot on every white person's neck... i'll fight like a cornered animal before I allow that to happen

 

So do we have equality now? If not when will we achieve it? How will we achieve it? Many ethnic minorities have now achieved success in all walks of life yet many in those same minorities still struggle. Why?

 

You’re not being punished...you’re just having to share the pie and you don’t like it. Hundreds of years white males kept black people down and it wasn’t all that long ago that we had segregation.Why is helping black people get educated inequality?When you as a white male are told you may not apply then there will be inequality. Tell me where white people are denied admission because of their race. Look at all the power structure in this country and tell me how you don’t see white people and mostly white males. Why does diversity bother you? And I think worst of all is why do you assume that black people are not just as capable?

 

It will take a few generations. As you pointed out many ethnic minorities are now achieving success That they could not have dreamt of 50 years ago. But remember the people that considered black people inferior are still alive....I look at young women and I am so happy that they take so much for granted that I couldn’t. That is happening with race as well

 

Then we are back to you not knowing what discrimination means.

 

So then it wouldn't be discrimination if we created a government funded program that provided grants, loans and government contracts which white people could access but black people were not allowed to access or had to jump through a bunch of hoops that the white people didn't have to access?

That's not discrimination? Please tell me that's not discrimination so I can destroy your argument.

 

So again... you wouldn't find it discriminatory and racist for us to have a program which provided white people government grants but excluded blacks?

And are you serious right now? Do you understand how affirmative action works? YES we're denied entry. There are only so many interviews allowed to be given for acceptance to many masters or PhD programs. Affirmative action says that a certain percentage of those interviews MUST go to minorities. That means if there are 10 interviews given and the most qualified 10 people are white, 2 or 3 of them will be denied an interview, and as such entrance to the college, simply because they have the wrong color skin and 2 or 3 minority students will have the chance to get into that college simply because they have the right color skin.

On what freaking planet do you think that's not racist and discriminatory?

 

Actually it is a poverty problem. Those most likely to commit crimes, especially violent crimes come from the lower quarter of the socioeconomic spectrum. If you only count people from the lower quarter, Whites are just as likely to commit crimes, as Blacks or Hispanics or Asians, for that matter.

What skews your data is that blacks are disproportionately represented in the lower quarter if the socioeconomic spectrum.

However, you will find that white collar crime is more likely to be perpetrated by a White criminal, from an upper quarter. Funny you missed that.

 

The thing about letting black people into college through affirmative action is a bit funny when one hears the complaints. Not everyone who goes to college finishes. Quite a few people drop out because they can't do the work. The people that are being displaced by affirmative action are those on the very bottom of qualifying. Those most likely to never finish anyhow.

In fact I remember a fellow that I went to high school with. He was really upset that there was a program for poor Hispanics to get scholarships, in an affirmative action kind of deal. He wanted to be an engineer, but couldn't get through the Calculus.

When I went to college, late 70's, early eighties, never once was I concerned that affirmative action would cause me any problems, which it never did.

In my college experience, it was always the white wealthy party kids who were the slow kids, not the Blacks or Hispanics.

 

I'm as white as white can be. Blonde hair, blue eyes, and all. The idea that people like me are being discriminated against is real funny. Absurd even.

In fact there have been plenty of times where I have felt treated very well because of my looks, my colors and all.

Now if the problem is looks. You must know that it is not the fault if Black people, that you have an unappealing look.

 

From earlier in the thread:

I'll give you a few examples of systemic, institutionalized government sponsored racism against whites.

The federal government provides grants and loans to minority... excuse me... non-white farmers that I can't get access to because the color of my skin is white.

The federal government's SBA through program 8A provides grants, loans and government contracts to minorit... non-whites that I can't get access to or have to jump through a bunch of hoop NO other race has to jump through to get access to those funds.

The federal government provides tax credits to businesses who use minori.. non-white contractors. A benefit that as a white contractor I don't provide because the color of my skin is white. Making it FAR less likely for me to get that job.

And we haven't even BEGUN to talk about the DOZENS of state programs that discriminate against white people. Such as the $3BILLION dollars of taxpayer funds that NY designated for mino... non-white small business owners that I can't get access to or have to jump through hoops because the color of my skin is white.

The left has created an ENTIRE vernacular which makes it acceptable to discriminate against white people. They use the terms minority and majority instead of non-white and white to make their policies sound less racist. They use terms such as socially or historically disadvantaged which is nothing more than a code word for non-white, non-male, non-Christian, non-straight people. ALL illegal categories to discriminate against.

But all that's cool apparently because white people today deserve to be punished because of what white people years ago did. But God forbid I even SUGGEST discriminating against blacks to reduce our ABSURDLY high violent crime rate today.