European elections 2019: major losses projected for centrist blocs – live

OK the numbers are just being countred. It looks like Le Pens Party is first in France, though that is the same as last time. Merkel's party appears to have won for Germany. The Greens seem to have done well.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk


In the UK the first result is in and it has been won by the new Brexit Party which was expected, taking the votes from Labour. The Tory Party appears to be finished at least for some time so it is not surprising that some of the hopeful new Leaders are promising coalitions with Brexit after a General Election. Something of an Irony as one of the reasons suggested for the Referendum was to finish UKIP off.

Apart from that voting in the UK is up particularly in Remain areas and particularly in Scotland

Another vote in and another win for Brexit and major loss for the Tories,

Sedgemoor is in and Brexit have one by 45% - Tories lose 19%

Because these results are by PR this does not yet mean people from these areas will be the ones elected.

UKIP is also losing badly

Forecast Brexit to win and the LibDems to come second......

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...arliament-brexit-party-farage-tories-may-live

 

The North East is the first complete area to bring its results. It has elected two Brexit and one Labour to the EU.

Brexit has stolen UKIP's vote.

 

First results from Scotland show the SNP massively in front though with Brexit also getting results. Big loosers through out the UK appear to be UKIP and the Tories and to a lesser extent Labour.

In Italy it looks like the far right League party will be the major winner with between 27 and 31%

and

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...arliament-brexit-party-farage-tories-may-live

Plaid Cymru are doing well in Wales.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...arliament-brexit-party-farage-tories-may-live

 

Viktor Orbán's party has won 13 of Hungary's 21 seats that is an increase of 1 from 2014.

The SNP so far has gone up 9% from 2014

 

From what I understand of my review online,
it was a victory across Europe for nationalism
and a defeat for the EU.

Euro voters are waking up to international collectivism scams.
Bravo


What part do I have incorrect.
Viva Le Pen
Brexit too

Lesson: You can't make working people struggle harder to stay even
over decades and not expect the voters to become wise to being scammed.



Moi

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Yes and No. The far right is on the rise in Europe particularly the East and that of course is reflected in the EU elections with both Austria and Poland. Marie Le Pen's Party won the most votes for France but they won the most votes last time round and given how unpopular Macron is, his group came a very close second. I think Belgium may have also voted something of this nature. The Brexit Party of course came top for the UK. However UKIP were last time so this was just Brexit replacing them with more seats. There were other changes in the UK however. A massive loss of Tory seats and Labour also losing strongly though not so bad as the Tories. We also had a massive increase in the votes of the Liberal Democrats who are strongly pro EU. Hence in the UK we had both main parties seeing big defeats while the two parties which are strong on Brexit, that is Brexit to leave and the Lib Dems to stay are now the Top two parties. The Greens also increased their vote but the main vote seemed to be on Brexit either to stay or leave. This was also shown in Scotland where the SNP went up considerably from 2014. They of course are pro EU - and despite the name against ethnic nationalism.

What people were talking about was more that there was not the massive swing to ethnic nationalists which had been expected. The Afd and other countries Denmark and Holland for instance did not produce a far right vote feared....so yes, there has been a rise in the populist far right and a loss with 'centrist' parties or parties which support the EU. However this has been less than expected and apparently will allow the established/pro European Parties to defeat them provided they stick together. There was also a belief that some of the voting was due to the usual mid term lack of love for the Party in Power so that the left did well in Spain, still being in the honeymoon period, while Syriza suffered a big defeat.

As it stands there is not a change sufficient to destroy the EU in significant ways. The UK Brexit Party has the second biggest share of the votes after Merkel's- at least that is what I heard last night.

From what I was hearing the East Europe Parties having seen the situation the UK has got itself in, no longer want to leave. Rather they want to change the EU to suit ethnic nationalism. It sounds like they have not got sufficient votes to do this. I still have not been able to find out if Diem25 got a seat. They believe strongly in the EU seeing the alternative as ethnic nationalist states and Europe back to war. They are strongly for bringing social democracy to the EU and ensuring Europe beats climate disaster. They see the EU needing transformation rather than reform.

For the UK it shows England not happy with the Tories or Labour, Scotland likely to go for Independence if the UK leaves the EU, Wales moving towards Plaid Cymru, NI results not in till today so basically continuing to see the likely break up of the UK over Brexit.

 

That should have been Hungary and Poland up there. I am still waiting to see how Austria did.

 

Swastikas at half mast in the UK today as little Tommy Robinson loses all and whines about social media killing his chances.

 

Yep! Hope he gets the message at last. He may be loved by US Republicans but in the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...y-robinson-sneaks-out-of-election-count-early

 

A giant moral presence defeated by milkshake terrorism. So sad.

 

I doubt committing assault against him was what ruined his election, as Farage also got assaulted and almost doubled the share of the vote of the runner up.

 

While it is true that Yaxley-Lennon was being funded by the US - and made a good amount of money over it. I heard of a half a million house bought by him..but for the EU election, it looks likely he was not funded by them. They may have got the message that he was finished before they got started and could not even get into the US being banned. So, he is crying that he is banned also from social media and believes that is the reason hardly anyone voted for him.

Farage is something different. He himself points out that a new party has never fared so well after being in existence only 6 weeks. One of the main reasons for this is that they simply do not have the money to fight every seat which appears to be what he has done. Who is funding Farage. Here he claims one big donor whose name he will not disclose as well as 70,000 £25

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...elections-polls-funding-website-today-live-uk

Here Gordon Brown is demanding his source of funding be looked at
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...unding-must-be-investigated-says-gordon-brown

 

Tories opened the door for Farage. All parties have wings with varying levels of control, Brexit has caught the Tories with their pants down and demonstrated that financial interests control the party.

 

It remains that it is unheard of that a Party could get started just 6 weeks ago and be able to offer people to stand throughout the country. The concern is that the one big donation, if that is what it is, both goes against our electoral rules and is foreign. For the Referendum it was found that Leave went against funding rules. We need to know who is funding Farage and behind the Brexit Party.

 

I have no objection.

They are offering something the Tories aren't: Brexit.

 

They have no one in the UK Parliament so can do nothing about that. However at least one of the Tory wannabe PM's Raab I think has said he would work with the Brexit Party. However it remains that until there is a general election it is highly unlikely anyone will be able to make a move on Brexit. The next General Election is not due till 2022 and given that

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/27/riva...rst-ever-election-result-9695408/?ito=cbshare

I do not see them calling an early one.

 

Of course they have no MPs, they simply have a policy of delivering a no deal Brexit aka Brexit.

As shown by the Brexit vote happening in the first place - pressure on a major party can work.

 

That is a fantasy. They do not have a way of delivering Brexit. The only way the UK can do a No Deal Brexit by 31st October is if there is a general election and if it provides the Parliamentarians to go along with this. The other way would be if the EU does not offer further extensions. Farage may try to be so disruptive that the EU decide not to give a further extension but I suspect that would be seen as playing to Brexit so they would probably try a different route.

Be very aware Steady Pie. A no deal Brexit will not be good for the UK. A No Deal Brexit was not what the people of the UK who voted Brexit voted for - far from it. They were told again and again they would be able to get anything from the EU they wanted.

All economic reports say no deal will make the UK about 10% poorer and that this will continue over years and likely get worse. Now tell me, why do you an Australian want to destroy the UK? A No deal Brexit will only be good for a few Super Rich as it destroys the UK and very likely brings England to civil war.

 

Throughout human history, freedom has always been preferred to the yoke of oppression. Whatever financial difficulties might be faced will be overcome by the fact that the UK is no longer beholden to an organization which it was merely a part of. Now, England can sell itself, as itself and members of the EU will still want to dip into English resources. If England navigates these waters correctly, it can make itself even richer as an independent country that still has EU investment.

 

Belgium also had nationaal and regionaal Elections
And South voted extreme left north extreme right
This should be good trying to build a federaal goverment

 

Then you missunderstood something ...

Aside Le Pen in France and Liga Nord, non of the EU haters have won.... the Brexit clowns of Farage in UK aside!

 

While I like many believe the EU needs change and my preference has been with Diem25, this lark about Freedom is just that. It is not true, It is to use Trump Fake News which sadly some people will always buy into. The words sound good, reality is different. This is the third time in about a week I have given these two links.



and

The dismantling of the state since the 1980s: Brexit is the wrong diagnosis of a real crisis

This is just nonsense. At the moment the UK is one of the three big countries in the EU and as such has a loud voice in it. One of the least destructive compromises we could make is to do a Norway style deal. In that we would keep our trade with the EU and have more choices outside of that but we would lose our ability to make decisions in the EU which we now have.

We are going to be desperate and desperate people are used. At the moment the most likely is us becoming one of the US's clones losing all the advantages of the EU and gaining only disadvantages.

a deal with the US would involve a sharp dip in our food standards. In addition we would be expected to accept both gm crops and hormones without being told. That is one of the big things. Our rights to information would need to be removed. We would also be expected to allow the US to send on any information about us they chose to anyone they chose. We would lose the NHS and on and on. Nothing is better. Everything is worse and most of all there is no freedom. We move from having an equal top voice to being a minion who has to do what they are told and has a decreased standard of life.

(this information was in some article which came out a few months ago concerning what US business wanted from the UK if any trade deal)

The chance of Britian being more free while throwing away its major trading Partner and going it alone, is crazy. Poorer and less free. Last time I looked which was with the last few months the UK had only managed to do 7 trade deals out of over a hundred needed. We have been prostituting ourselves to Durete claiming we share his values, our Brexiters have been so desperate. People ain't interested. Britain is no longer a world power and the belief that she can leave the EU and slip back into that is an illusion of the Brexiters.

You may have something there. I am almost certain a No Deal Brexit will be the end of the UK so England will be doing things on its own. I do not however rule out civil war.

This is just wishful thinking. Being on it's own a minion of the US at a time of Global catastrophe and possibly world war would bring nothing to England - note we are no longer talking about the UK which will have broken up.

and last the people of Britain did not vote for no deal Brexit. Indeed the difficulty in getting a deal was one of the things which concerned most people. They were told it would be as easy as pie. A No Deal Brexit is not what the Referendum was on. It is what the super rich elite are trying to get so that they can try to hold onto neo liberalism for a little longer while the ordinary people of the UK suffer more and more.

 

For The Fun of It
RT's take on the European elections.
reminds me of me

https://www.rt.com/news/460399-eu-elections-fake-democracy/

EU election results show people are ‘fed up with fake democracy’ ​

Anti-establishment forces had major gains in the EU elections because voters are tired of parties refusing to challenge Brussels, analysts told RT, saying the results also show that migration is still a top issue.
Euroskeptic parties made considerable gains in the European Parliament elections, leaving the bloc’s establishment parties badly battered and searching for answers. Ultimately, analysts told RT, it illustrates how Europeans have run out of patience for politics as usual.


https://www.rt.com/uk/460370-brexit-party-divided-eu/

Brexit Party’s formula for success?
Uniting right & left against UK establishment ​

The Brexit Party owes its triumph in the European elections to voters from both the right and left who wanted to send a message to the ineffectual political establishment.


Does RT have it wrong or is it always about, they are - - RT.


Moi

Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

Thank YOU
But, honestly, I need the synopsis as well as the American edition.



Taking in Eastern Europe is like the West adopting a herd of "foster children".

Everyone would be better off if the old Sovietsky places created
their own, East of the EU Union.



Moi
Enjoy the RT take above, or not.

Fair Trade, Not Free Trade!

Make 'em Pay
Their Fair Share!
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I will leave you to live in your own world