Amazing: I had never seen Republicans in such disarray

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  1. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    Yes groups, the individuals and the colleagues they disagree with. Show us the "chaos".
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blacks have been rapping on the streets of Detroit, Chicago, Harlem and L.A. since the 50's.

    Somewhere along the way during the 80's rapping about capping fellow brothers, killing cops and beating up women became the new thing.

    Then they found someone who added some primitive beat to the rapping.

    History will not be so kind to rap.

    For the past 100 years the only time a Republican found himself in the White House was when Democrats put them in the White House.

    The Republican party has always been the minority party going back to America's progressive era.
    Note:
    ( During America's progressive era progressives, true progressives who believed by using science the ills of society could be fixed. Most progressives were nationalist socialist and despised internationalist socialist.

    The again before the 1970's most Americans were nationalist except commies, Marxist, Maoist, anarchist and international socialist. )

    It was Democrats who put Eisenhower and Nixon into the White House and Democrats (Reagan Democrats) who put Reagan in the White House.

    It was Democrats and independents who put both Bushes in the White House.

    And it was the working middle class and middle America who put Trump into the White House.

    The Democratic party during the 1990's basically took on giant step for socialism and abandoned the working middle class, fly over America and whites.
     
  3. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    After an exhaustive 2 year investigation that disagrees with you, how do you justify that comment?
     
  4. rahl

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    Uh, the investigation clearly showed Russia influenced the election in favor of trump.
     
  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    An exhaustive 2 year investigation that disagrees with Mueller's conclusion that Russia interfered in our election to help elect Trump? I didn't know there was such and investigation. Do tell. Please quote it. And quote the conclusions.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    No need to quote it. You can read Mueller's report on the internet.
     
  7. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's not a matter of "need". It'a a matter of being able to. And you're not. Because you have no idea what's in it. So you can keep the B.S. to yourself.

    I've said this so many times: it's amazing that everybody on the left quotes the Mueller report all over the place on this forum. And not a single Trump loyalist can support anything they say with a complete quote.

    There are maaaany places I can quote to prove you don't know what you're talking about. Let's see... here's one.

    (Page 35) In sum, the investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election through the "active measures" social media campaign carried out by the IRA, an organization funded by Prigozhin and companies that he controlled . As explained further in Volume I, Section V.A, infra, the Office concluded (and a grand jury has alleged) that Prigozhin, his companies , and IRA employees violated U.S. law through these operations, principally by undermining through deceptive acts the work of federal agencies charged with regulating foreign influence in U.S. elections .
    Now.... If you are going to respond... include a quote!!!

    If not... don't even bother...

     
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  8. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nowhere in your quote does it say that it helped Trump win. Only that they interfered.
     
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    Lol...No, that's what truth looks like.
     
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    No need to quote. Both you and I understand that the Russians tried to affect the election. However, only I appear to understand that the effort failed. There is no evidence that the election was thrown by Russian interference in the Mueller report or anywhere else. I seem to have to explain things in detail with you. Incidentally, the Russians have meddled in our elections just like China, North Korea, Iran and others for a long time. It is not even news.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Read what I'm responding to.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    How did it fail? Trump got elected. Trump has done nothing but please Putin during his administration. So how did it fail?

    Your statement was that the report "disagrees" that Putin affected the election in favor of Trump. You need to either retract that or quote where on the report it sates that.

    Your statement was not an opinion. It was a clear reference to the Mueller report. Quote!

    It's news if the political party being benefited is actively seeking that help. Which is shown in the Report. Multiple times. Which I can quote (and have quoted) from the report. But that's not the subject here. You made a statement. Now you back it up with a quote, or retract. And don't make me show you again how we can prove every single one of our statements about the report with quotes... while the Trump cult can't.
     
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    One moment it's the Trump party all in lockstep behind an extremist base, the next it's a party in disarray.

    Meanwhile the Democrats go about purging the moderates and appeasing a ever growing base of leftist extremist brainwashed youth being manipulated by public educators and socialist professors. How many candidates do you have? Up to 30 yet? No clear leadership in the Democrats. Pelosi is trying to maintain a veil of control over a base that is increasingly out of control.
     
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    The Democrats benefited from Russian interference. The Democrats sought information from Russia and got it. I don't think Putin is very happy with a Trump presidency. He'd be much more comfortable with a Democrat that he can bribe or extort or buy uranium from.
     
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    So Republicans are in more disarray now then after Obama won? You folks said the Republican party was DEAD. More liberal whining, all the while their house burns down around them...
     
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    Its not the republican in disarray, It is the democrats. Next year there is an election, and the only plank in the democrat platform is-------we hate Trump! They have NO solutions or have put forth ANYTHING that is good for the country.
     
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    It appeared that you were trying to prove that the Russians gave Trump the win. Your quote provides no such evidence.
     
  18. Golem

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    You perceived my end of the debate wrong, and you didn't even see the other side. This selective perception is what makes you and will always make you wrong. Every time.
     
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    Besides the physical impossibility of being wrong every time,my perception is that you were claiming Russia gave Trump the win.

    If that was not your point, then your quote was completely useless, because the only thing it said was that Russia interfered and I don't know of anyone who questions that. But, I can go with the quote being completely useless. Not unusual in your case.
     
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    That's what I said. But it's an opinion. I'm not trying to prove anything. While the other poster did state that the Mueller report concluded the opposite. He/she never showed anything to demonstrate that
     
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    With the presumption of innocence, he/she is correct because you can never prove innocence,
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Under that premise, it's still not the Mueller report that proves it.

    See? This is what happens to you when you jump into debates without knowing what is being debated.
     
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    You are the one who was quoting Mueller and referring to the Mueller report.
     
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    Of course, but you are equating being impeached with being guilty. It is like a prosecutor making the case that the defendant is guilty. Judgment is determined by the Senate trial.

    Put a different way, of course the House will say that an impeached person committed the offenses. That is why the person is being impeached. Guilt or innocence and severity of the offense and whether the person should be removed is up to the Senate.
     
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    It failed by not succeeding. There is no evidence that buying some ads on facebook pushed the election results anywhere.

    You need to quote where it says it was successful. You are asking me to prove a negative. You should know better than that.


    The Mueller report itself is a collection of facts and opinions. I invite you to quote where it says the Russians affected the election results.


    It's news if the political party being benefited is actively seeking that help. Which is shown in the Report. Multiple times. Which I can quote (and have quoted) from the report. But that's not the subject here. You made a statement. Now you back it up with a quote, or retract. And don't make me show you again how we can prove every single one of our statements about the report with quotes... while the Trump cult can't.[/QUOTE]


    Your statement was that the report "disagrees" that Putin affected the election in favor of Trump. You need to either retract that or quote where on the report it sates that.


    Your statement was not an opinion. It was a clear reference to the Mueller report. Quote!


    It's news if the political party being benefited is actively seeking that help. Which is shown in the Report. Multiple times. Which I can quote (and have quoted) from the report. But that's not the subject here. You made a statement. Now you back it up with a quote, or retract. And don't make me show you again how we can prove every single one of our statements about the report with quotes... while the Trump cult can't.[/QUOTE]
     

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