Russia to West: D-Day wasnt decisive in ending WW2.

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  1. CCitizen

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    Definitely. USSR saved Humankind from Nazis. That must never be forgotten.
     
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    What killed the Axis? It was mostly American assembly lines pumping out a new bomber every 10 seconds with plenty of qualified pilots.
     
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    Then Japan shouldn't have started the war. We ended it as quickly as we could with the least American lives lost as possible. If we had fought the war your way, it would have gone on several more years and cost a million more American lives. Sorry, but that was not an option.

    Grow up.
     
  4. CCitizen

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    USA committed enormous crimes against humanity bombing Japan, North Korea, Vietnam.
     
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    After Japan was defeated, the Russians took advantage of the situation and grabbed some territory.

    Truly heroic.
     
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    Clueless.

    In all three wars, the U.S. responded to invasions by Japan, North Korea, and North Vietnam. Those are the countries responsible for the bloodshed. And we fought on the moral side while trying to minimize American deaths.

    Good God, man. Do some reading before you post.
     
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    In all these wars combined, USA killed about three million civilians.
     
  8. Texas Republican

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    You don't know what you're talking about. You're in so far over your head.

    Give up now while you're behind.
     
  9. Texas Republican

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    Do you know about the mass civilian deaths and rapes perpetrated by Japan across Asia? Do you know about the human rights abuses by those communist countries? We were fighting against evil aggression. And tried to do so with a minimum of American casualties.

    You would have preferred no use of nukes and a million American deaths as we fought Japan block-by-block and house-by-house? How many Japanese citizens would died in an urban war?

    You don't belong here.
     
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  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Let's not go crazy though, Stalin could have done the world a real favor by not trusting Hitler from 1939 to early 1941. He didn't have to purge his Officer Corps in the 1930's either
     
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  11. CCitizen

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    Definitely -- USSR had great virtues and great shortcomings. Stalin had great virtues and great flaws.

    Thomas Jefferson and George Washington also had virtues and a great character flaw -- they supported Slavery.
     
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    Calm down willya? There were many viable alternatives to the way we dropped the bombs on Japan and most all of them would have worked. Thing is, nobody could have known that at the time and there is considerable doubt about whether any of might have actually prolonged the war even now. That being said it was a terrible terrible thing to do and the USA remains the only nation that has ever used an Atom Bomb on another.

    The conventional firebombing of Tokyo (and Dresden too, I believe) killed more people.

    If you want to see a serious anime movie on this try to scare up a copy of Grave of the Fireflies by Isao Takahata
     
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    I dunno if Washington ever freed his slaves when he died, a custom not uncommon among rich planters at the time. Jefferson intended to but he never could manage money.
    Slavery was a dying institution in the USA until the Cotton Gin revived it (and the whole cotton industry) in 1794.
     
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    Uh huh. So opening another front and pushing hard at Berlin from the West meant nothing, eh?
     
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    Where was it written it meant nothing?
    Please highlight in the quote.
    Bad paraphrasing @Durandal
     
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    Washington and Jefferson were alive 250 years ago. Slavery was normal in the 1700’s. They did care for the lives of the citizens and made the world a better place.

    Stalin was just a brutal dictator/murderer.
     
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    Germany is a big fish in a small pond.

    Let me know when they are the biggest fish in the largest pond.
     
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    Slavery was rare already. It was abolished in England in 1772.
     
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    It was abolished in most northern states in the 40 years after that. And if there never had been a Civil War, it would have died in the South by 1900.

    But at the time of Washington, Jefferson, and the the revolution of 1776, slavery was the norm and not the exception.
     
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    That would've been the US....there were no Soviet bombers over Germany.
     
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    Yeah...US did 99% of the heavy lifting....throughout the war....Sovs just showed up and stole some territory.
     
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    No need to. The biggest fish in the largest pond dies easily when the habitat changes.

    We are more like the snakehead fish. We walk on land into new ponds, kill off most other fish.
     
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    The winter has little to do with Germany's defeat. First winter was an issue of supply, not
    just winter gear but supply of everything. The remaining winters the Germans were in a
    better situation, garment wise.
    The number one reason for German's defeat was supply - over a vast terrain.
     
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    And there we have your propaganda lie ...
    They were refugees and not immigrants ...!
    And how many dfavon are out of Germany now, eh? Since you are silent and silent your NSDAP ... ehm ... AfD party of course!
    Likewise, in your circles you are silent about the fact that 1.5 million people were astonishingly more than 1/3 were not Muslim!
    And as for the handling ... you and your party friends are, of course, also silent about how to deal with the Kosovo refugees, including Muslims, whom we recorded at the time and with whom we are doing something now that Kosovo has been classified as safe enough, eh?

    You and your Perteif friends can not believe that the Syrian refugees escaped a war where they had 90% chance of being murdered! They want to return to their home tomorrow, if it is safe enough and will not stay!

    First learn our constitution and start especially with the article 1 and what it means!
     
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    Clueless!

    In Vietnam you supported a corrupt and bloody and people killing regime which had the luch that the insurgents against them were communists = automatically your enemy!
    So helping bloody bastards and murders is on the moral side ... very interesting!
     

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