Russia to West: D-Day wasnt decisive in ending WW2.

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by zoom_copter66, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    16,882
    Likes Received:
    8,674
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    Russkis weren't concerned with rebuilding or letting the Germans rebuild!
     
  2. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2008
    Messages:
    3,010
    Likes Received:
    533
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Excellent piece of crazyness, madness and delirium.

    If "Ukrainians and Belorussians" with "1 in 3 soldiers with rifles" defeated the German army and reached Berlin, the question is - what did you do all this time, with your bombers, trucks, ships, weaponry, ammunition, jeeps, small armoured vehicles???
    If Germany could be defeated by such poorly armed crowd of various people from different countries and areas, which you described in your mad dream - why America/Britain/Canada didn't defeat Germany and liberate the whole Europe?
    The German army, which crashed France (and British forces) in a couple of months, destroyed Poland in a couple of weeks, spent several days for invading and occupying countries like Netherlands, Norway, Denmark etc. - this army retreated under pressure of Red Army, which was "1 in 3 soldiers with rifles and an NKVD unit behind"??? Such idea may be born only in some sick head.

    Wehrmacht was the best army in the world then. And this army lost to crowd of savages with 1 rifle for 3 soldiers? Funny, just funny.

    How USSR could stand when Germans were deeply inside Russia? Without your "Ukranians, , Belorussians, and many other minorities"? Who defended Leningrad? Ukrainians? Who made first major defeat to Germany in WWII in the Battle of Moscow? Americans? Who surrounded and exterminated German and Romanian troops in Stalingrad? Canadians? Who fought in the worlds largest tank battle in Kursk? Brits?..

    Of course, America helped USSR. Canned meat, cacao etc., it's ok, and it was very important, especially trucks, but you guys were somewhere else when the fate of WWII was determined in the Eastern Front. Besides, Lend Lease wasn't for free, the last payments Russia made to the USA in the 2000s.

    As for your bombers, which allegedly "destroyed" Germany, the German GDP was growing until 1944.
    The most qauntity of tanks, artillery guns and trucks Germany produced in 1944. Looks like you bombers weren't so good, ah? This is what you call "destroyed Germanys ability to effectively fight"???
    While you were busy at "destroying Germanys ability to effectively fight" (and Germany the same time effectively built up its military industry), Soviet troops were in Poland, Hungary and Yugoslavia.

    That's the truth. Simple facts. Not stupid fairy tales from liars.
     
    ArchStanton likes this.
  3. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Are you from russkie land? You amuse me. Come on, tell more horror stories
     
  4. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    16,882
    Likes Received:
    8,674
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    Uh yeah....mo


    Wow....somebody is delirious.

    Simple fact Krasnodarsky....is , is many Ukrainians and Belorussians died fighting the Germans...almost 90% of battles was fought on their soil....Moscow, Leningrad , Stalingrad, were for the most part on Russki soil.

    Well yes....while we were bombing Germany....this greatly enabled the Sovs fighting ability....without it, you were ****ed. I don't recall reading any Soviet bombers over Berlin....because there wasn't any.

    At first the US was heavily involved fighting the Japs....who hit us first. Technically the US really didn't have an axe to grind with the Krauts at first. Stalinovka was the one calling FDR for more and more aid.

    Oh, our bombers were good....met their targets. If they hadn't.....let's just say many more vatniks would've made for lampshades in German living rooms.

    As for Kursk....the Russkis knew of some of the German plans....blared it out on megaphones, and still almost lost the fight, hadn't the US landed in Sicily.


    Uh yeah....we were elsewhere when stalinovka was calling.....fighting the Japs.

    We fought the Japs....and the European theater, while supplying the Sovs....and we decisively made the difference whether you care to admit it or not.
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2019
  5. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,072
    Likes Received:
    10,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think you are doing a fantastic job of showcasing why German opinion or perspectives relate to WWII are irrelevant.

    Keep going.
     
    ArchStanton likes this.
  6. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,072
    Likes Received:
    10,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah. Not exactly.

    The assassination of Ferdinand was a catalyst, but not an act of war.

    Germany's invasion of 2 countries was the act of war that kicked off the military engagement.
     
    ArchStanton likes this.
  7. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,072
    Likes Received:
    10,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Cutting off supply lines is a tactic.

    I'm sorry you cant accept that Germany has historically been an thorn in the side if peace, AND they keep getting their asses kicked.
     
    ArchStanton likes this.
  8. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Opinions become relevant with power. Money is power. And because of that we can make a old former enemy soldier dance like a monkey, while throwing scraps at the poor old beggar.
     
  9. aenigma

    aenigma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2015
    Messages:
    950
    Likes Received:
    305
    Trophy Points:
    63
    your origin is 6-10 000 year ago in the black sea so thats not possible
    all blue eyes come from a single peron in that region according to research
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm
     
  10. aenigma

    aenigma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2015
    Messages:
    950
    Likes Received:
    305
    Trophy Points:
    63
    i have no issue with germany getting beat, i have a issue with starving civilian

    germany only lost 2 major wars, they kicked the french pretty good 50years before wich led to ww1 revanchism in france for loosing strassbourg in the first place, wich also led to ww1 in a way

    also WW1 wasnt started by Germany but by Serbia/Austria and a whole bunch of Royal idiots

    pretty sure it basicle went like this
    Serbia kills the crownprince of Austria in terrorist attack
    Austria demands whole bunch of stuff as punishment
    Serbia refused after guarantees from Russia they would protect them
    Austria declares war on serbia after guarentee from Germany they would defend Austria if Russia attacks
    Russia declares war on Austria after they got guarentee France would help
    Germany declares war on Russia to protect Austria
    France declares war on Germany to help Russia

    Germany invades trough belgium(dick move) to kick France out of the war and gets bogged down in trenches
    Uk declares war on Germany for invading Belgium
    Russia invades Germany and gets his ass kicked multiple times and collapses in the progress (serves him right for escalating this whole war)

    you starve germany into submission giving rise to the idea that Germany got cheated in WW1 and they didnt really loose, resulting in the Rise of Hitler

    so my opinion Uk actions led directly to his rise by your tactic
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2019
    Sobo likes this.
  11. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Well we can agree that my basic stock on this lands is several thousand years
     
  12. zer0lis

    zer0lis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2015
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    274
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    I too believe Germany is the most 'advanced' in Europe. Advanced as in industrious, things made with planning, discipline and brains. Some 50 years ahead of the UK let's say, and it's amazing considering the circumstances.
    Still, I would not consider living in Germany, maybe it's just me, not my type of cake.

    Having travelled to v poor places, I am amazed at the hospitality and kindness of those people. That is sure 'above' other nations, way above Germany.

    We need to define the terms 'superior' and 'above' :D
     
  13. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I think we are the best when **** needs to be done.

    What i believe is the best on us, is that we believe we can achieve anything and trust alot in science and engineering.

    We have lots of courage. What we lack is mercy and compassion. Even when we help someone.

    And we sometimes overplan stuff.
     
    zer0lis likes this.
  14. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2008
    Messages:
    3,010
    Likes Received:
    533
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Japs were flying on a wooden aircraft - like Russians. And the US spent four years to defeat them.

    As for allied landing in Sicily and the battle of Kursk - it's laughable. Germand had about 3000 tanks and 1 million soldiers in Kursk, while in Sicily the main Axis force was Italy, and in total Italians and a few of Germans had about 150 tanks and 200 thousand people. The main goal of operation in Sicily was to secure navigation in the Mediterranian Sea for Allies, it has nothing to do with battle of Kursk.
     
    ArchStanton likes this.
  15. zer0lis

    zer0lis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2015
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    274
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Only 1/4 of Romanians have blue eyes.
    They have the largest percentage of green eyes related to population.
    The majority of them has brown eyes.

    You can find all eye colors in Romania, including the most rare ones: hazel, pale yellow and even grey.

    The is a sharp contrast in skin paleness the minute you cross the Danube( south they are not pale mostly because of the mixture with the ottomans, that is not the case for Romanians- but Romanians have mixed with gypsies as they have the largest percentage of them related to pop, some 5%, but the number has dropped since they emigrated west).

    They are really very diverse. My wife is 'pure' romanian(whatever that means--at least 5 generations). She is a blonde, freckles and blue eyes. I have some German ancestry but she is 'whiter' than me, if you associate white with blondes and not typical Caucasian.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2019
  16. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    16,882
    Likes Received:
    8,674
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    Not laughable.....Italy was like the second front....DDay,France the third, along with Allied bombings of Germany. Most moskali campaigns corresponded somewhat with the western fronts.

    Uh yeah, Japs occupied a lot of islands in the Pacific....most of which needed amphibious landings that required tons of foreplanning.

    Eastern Front was one big land battle....where the vatniks just threw bodies at the Germans. Soviet generals had the luxury of that, plus the to ns o lend lease.

    US fought and was involved in 3 theaters....desert, Pacific, European.....where the Russkis just dealt with the Germans.
     
  17. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    And we dealt with all those shitheads (US, Russkies, French and whatever else crawled out) and did very well considering the circumstances.
     
  18. zer0lis

    zer0lis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2015
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    274
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Gipsy+romanian+we+hate+them+as+much+_22ce696209e4c561062253eccd77ba0d.png


     
  19. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    16,882
    Likes Received:
    8,674
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Well....yeah, German infantry (Wehrmacht), Fallschirmjagers, tank crews were in a league of their own.

    Their mistake was....was to fight a two front war with the US. Should've just focused on the Russkis.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2019
  20. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    No, we just had to wait 5 years and then nuke the **** out of USA and Russia. Germany was leading in that aspect and would have had the bomb first.

    I think a nuke to New York and one to Moscow would have been enough.
     
  21. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,072
    Likes Received:
    10,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Germany is powerful in Europe.

    Germany is not powerful compared to the United States.

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/United-States/Military

    And private wealth isnt even close.

    https://mises.org/wire/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-states-they-would-be-among-poorest-states
     
    ArchStanton and Ddyad like this.
  22. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,072
    Likes Received:
    10,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It wasnt a terrorist attack, it was an assassination.

    Who invaded first?
     
    ArchStanton likes this.
  23. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    We rule Europe unrivalled.

    You cant imagine how funny it is, when Greece blames us for WW II and we simply switch off their pensions and let their pensioners starve.

    It took not even a week before they agreed to all our demands.

    [​IMG]
     
  24. ArchStanton

    ArchStanton Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2018
    Messages:
    3,230
    Likes Received:
    4,052
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's an awful lot of big talk. If we could have got the bombs ready to go three months earlier, Germany would have made for a nice parking lot. NOT ONE PENNY of U.S. Taxpayers money should have been spent rebuilding such an ungrateful, shithole of a country...that has been the cause of 2 world wars.

    I can just imagine the arrogant Krauts lined up outside Stalingrad talking about how they would defeat the Russians in no time at all. After that ass whooping, then the Krauts tried again in Kursk...after they had been run out of Voronezh and other neighboring cities in Russia....only to take another quick ass whooping that followed them all the way back to sour kraut central, Berlin.

    The Russians and other good guys should have pulled back out of Berlin and nuked that city into permanent extinction.
     
  25. ThirdTerm

    ThirdTerm Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2012
    Messages:
    4,324
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The Germans were outnumbered 1 to 10 by the Soviets in the Russian theater. Stalin enlisted millions of Russian soldiers to win the war. He had some 5 million men available immediately and a total of 23,000 tanks. The Germans had no satisfactory long-term plan for the invasion. Hitler wrongly had assumed that 'We have only to kick in the front door and the whole rotten edifice will come tumbling down'. Probably the Nazi Empire in Europe would have survived, if he had not attacked the Soviet Union. The D-Day invasions further weakened Nazi Germany which was forced to fight a two-front war.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2019
    ArchStanton likes this.

Share This Page