AR15: A weapon of War?

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Is the AR15 a "military weapon" and/or "weapon of war"?

  1. Yes, the AR15 is a "military weapons" and/or "a weapon of war"

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  2. No, the AR15 is NOT a "military weapons" and/or "a weapon of war"

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    If that was her best, I weep for her kids.
     
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    Can't we just get rid of sick murder threads like this? We don't need wars and we don't need weapons of war. Just live in peace.
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A car is a weapon of war. Can mow down dozens, even hundreds at the right speed.

    A plane is a weapon of war. Can take down 3,000 people.

    What are you exactly proposing?
     
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    What planet do you live on?
     
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    Americans have always adopted the cartridge that has been adopted by the U.S. Army.

    45-70, 30-40 Krag, 30-06, Winchester 308, Remington .223.

    But American sportsmen and shooters haven't always adopted the rifle that was being issued by the military.

    American civilian rifles that are chambered for the same cartridge being used by the military are usually more deadlier, being more accurate and having a longer effective range than the military service rifle.

    The U.S. military like most militaries are limited to what kind of cartridge (ammunition) they can use in war by the Hagu.
     
  6. Gary/Dubya

    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    I remember checking out all the details of weapons that were available in the early to mid '70s and even some of the better choices that were developed later on. My coach on the rifle range at PI told me early that I had a photographic eye, I knew what the rifle was pointing at when it fired. The coach asked you what you think you did with every shot and they were always there to give you the ammo, obviously, no trust in boot camp to protect the DIs. I have to admit, there was one of them I wanted to shoot down like a dog. All my DIs and all I saw were Vietnam veterans.
     
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    Nah. Didn't happen.
     
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    It is not about a single feral hog here and there, but an entire pack of feral hogs. Think thirty to one hundred hogs, all of which will start running at the sound of the muzzle report.
     
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    When it is built to utilize a free floating barrel. It can be done, and indeed has been done.
     
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    What is not understood on the part of yourself, is that the human race simply does not wish to live in peace. The human race as a species is obsessed with differences to fuel strife and wars, conducting itself in a manner that suggests it is genetically wired and designed to go about killing off itself and others in the greatest numbers possible.
     
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    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    True and when they wanted a NATO rifle like the M 14, they wanted a rifle that could use AK-47 ammo and didn't want someone with an AK-47 to use their ammo.
     
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    Have you seen it done? I haven't and it would be a waste to do so. It would be much easier to just use a different rifle.

    People in the military are taught to disassemble and assemble those military rifles blindfolded, so they know every part.
     
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    America already had a cartridge comparable to the AK-47 7.62X39mm, the Winchester 30-30.
     
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    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    You are only trolling and your question has been answered. It's just typical right wing nonsense with you.
     
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    My point is the M 14 was intentionally designed to use those commie AK-47 rounds and logistically that makes good sense when they can't use your ammo.

    The Winchester 30-30 was a very popular hunting rifle and I've used one for targets many times. The 30-06 is better.
     
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    You've ignored a ton of posts that prove you wrong. It's hilarious to watch
     
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    Find the posts yourself. The AR-15 or M 16 is not a great weapon for target practice and finding a competition that limits what can be used only proves there are better things. Anyone who has experience with the best weapons should know that. I can't think of any good long distance weapon that hasn't been in my hands at some time in my life.
     
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    That looks familiar to what I saw on the PI rifle range.
     
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    I still have my rifle qualification data book that I was issued at Edson Range back in March of 69.
     
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    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    I only qualified in PI. I was only doing 2 years active and was running the company office as the Admin Chief from the time I was a Lance Corporal and the last Sgt. we had left for Louisiana. The two prior to him were SSgts and they didn't last long. We had someone in charge of training, but I was never asked to qualify again. We were very busy and often had to do extra duty during the evenings.

    I keep a few things, like that red notebook we kept in our back pocket in boot camp. I'd love to get my hands on the M 14 I was issued and tried to find others, but never found one for sale. Mine had a wooden stock. I never checked much into it, I just figured the M 14s were considered off limits, they just didn't show up in gun shops.
     
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    The M-14 will never be released to the public because all M-14's can be fitted with a selector switch making them full auto capable.

    The M-14 was suppose to replace the M-1 Garand and the BAR which was the squad automatic rifle back in the day.

    The M-14 ended up being to light (9.5 lbs empty) to be used as a SAW.
    Most couldn't control a M-14 in full auto mode and all full auto rifles should fire from an open bolt or you are going to have a stoppage from overheating.

    It never failed that there was always one Marine on the range who discovered his M-14 was full auto capable.



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    The change only requires a couple of small parts but can only be done by an armorer. Most NM M14s and M21s had the full auto parts welded so that they will only fire semi auto. The differences between an M14 receiver and semi auto commercial M14 type receiver are a protrusion on the bottom for the full auto parts to install to, a dismount notch half way down the operating rod guide, and a groove in the bottom front of the receiver for the connector to sit in.

    First of three requirements for M14 full auto mode.
    The notch in the side of the M14 receiver must be in the middle for full auto mode, due to the placement of the block on the Connector Assy which is required for full auto mode. ALL M14's were made with the receiver notch.
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    Second of three requirements for M14 full auto mode.
    ALL M14's were manufactured with the tab on the receiver to allow for full auto mode capability, with the appropriate parts attached.
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    The third requirement is the parts required for full auto mode.

    Connector Assy, FSN 1005-01-472-3121
    Selector Shaft Pin, FSN 5315-00-051-6891
    Selector Switch, FSN 1005-00-587-8408
    Selector Shaft Spring, FSN 5360-00-587-8415
    Selector Shaft, FSN 3040-00-587-8409
    Sear Release, FSN 1005-00-628-9053

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    It should be noted here that all the parts are present on all M14's with the Full Auto Selector Lock installed (semi-auto only). The only parts needed to convert from semi auto only to full auto capability are the Selector Switch & Selector Shaft Spring.

    Takes about 5 min to do the job with a small punch & hammer. Just as it was intended to be, there is nothing permenant about the semi-auto M14's, no welding, etc. A complete set of M14 auto parts can usually be found for about $25~$30, for whatever that's worth.
     
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    You asked me (withing 5 minutes) to find a post about AR 15s and hog hunting and I cited a liberal source that defeated you. This is ****ing priceless lol
     
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    It was like shooting a 12 gauge shotgun, so on full auto, it could easily get away from someone. I thought it weighed more, eleven and a half pounds, but we all had wood, not plastic. I can dig out the red book and check again, but it's packed away. It's definitely lighter than an M-60 and I never considered Ramboing them, it would take a lot of strength and concentration to hold either down and it wouldn't be an effective way to use the weapon. A tripod for an M-60 is best, but that means that much more weight to carry.

    The early M 16s had tighter fitting parts that could jam too easily in Vietnam battle conditions, so they made some changes in that and added a manual bolt closure. I remember the early ones had a different flash suppressor, too. Let's face it, it only takes once for someone to pull a trigger without anything happening to not like something. Later on, the M 16 worked well in Vietnam for most operations.

    In our infantry training, we were taught to never fall to the ground if attacked and were told we would probably be dead if we did so. We advanced in single file along paths with rifles alternating left and right and were told our best chance for survival was to attack an attacker. Such was the ambush game in the jungle, the person there first and setting up the ambush had the initial advantage.
     
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    Irrelevant. It has indeed been done, that is all that matters. There are even guides for how such can be done.

    https://www.varminthunters.com/ar15tech/freefloat/ar15freefloat.html

    A great many things in everyday life can easily be considered a waste to engage in. But they are still pursued regardless, by those who believe that they are worthwhile.

    As well as much more expensive. It would be far easier to simply accept the fact that you do not actually know everything there is to know on the subject. The times have changed greatly in the last few decades, and what used to be the case then, is no longer the case now.

    What does such have to do with anything that has been discussed?
     

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