As a non-partisan, I saw the SOTU address as a declaration of war...

Trade is between individuals and companies not nations. As such the negotiations should start out between the individuals and companies involved. If they can't reach a mutual amicable agreement they go there separateNo ways. And that's that. Involve government's you involve coercion.

 

I've been an Independent ever since I was a Reagan Republican.

Trump has been waging war on the foundations of democracy, liberty, and the rule of law, from day 1. He uses divisiveness, primal fear, child-bully tactics, and lies, to rally crowds. He seeks to drive his crowd into a mob and has even called for violence. You have to see the big picture. These are third-world dictator tactics. Hitler would be proud. This is a war on the Constitution.

 

Good fantasy!

 

The deep state coup attempt, all the media smears, the special counsel who failed to deliver the goods, and the impeachment per se were all declarations of war.

 

Globalization is going to happen. Yes.
Globalism, per your term, will likely happen. There has to be governing forces in any endeavor. There will be a blending of cultures. You say it will occur anyway at a slower pace. Since when does anything happen at a slow pace and naturally?
Humans will push the issue, the 1st in will get the most leverage.

So the question is, does the USA want to be a leader, follower, or sit on the sidelines.

 

I don't care what the D party stands for. Neither party stands for anything good in relation to the people of our country.
I just call it as I see it.

When one has nothing to say and is in disagreement, throw out some made up party loyalty showing the original point to be true in the 1st place.
I am not sure why you would take a generic statement like that so personal?

 

Failed to deliver?
tRUMP is the 3rd US President to be impeached in the history of our country. He will always be the 3rd impeached president.

Only three U.S. presidents have been formally impeached by Congress—Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. So far, no U.S. president has ever been removed from office through impeachment.
https://www.history.com/news/how-many-presidents-impeached

 

Those arent the only options. Theres also resist, rebel and sabotage. If those seeking to catalyze globalization so they can mold it through chaos into something they can control succeed, we'll likely end up even worse off than things are now. Those that seek power are not to be trusted with it.

 

Then all this trade imbalance the USA, er tRUMP, claims is bogus?
Then why are we in trade wars? It should be the companies and individuals making the choices on international trade.
Why is big gov't getting in the way? Are you supporting big gov't interfering in the trade markets?

Companies freely chose to do business in China. Knowing China would take IP from them. But still did business there anyway.

 

Do you understand human nature?
It is to be 1st, the best, to lead. At least to those looking to do so.

So, you are in the resist category? Why? There is going to be nations, groups, individuals looking to lead the global markets.
Would it not be better to be in the group setting the standards, than the group sitting it out because one is afraid of globalism?

The USA had been the leader. We got to set the standards, or at least had a major voice in setting the standards.
Now the world is marching on without us. And tRUMPs threats to squash those not falling in line with his isolation and protectionism is failing.

See the fallout with Boris Johnson recently as an example.

 

Rush Limbaugh is "right of center"?

*LOFL*

 

I would prefer we lead the world in voluntary participation in the advancement of humanity via the animating contest of liberty (aka driving innovation with honest competition in a free market of goods, services and ideas) in opposition to compulsing conformity to and cooperation with the agenda of an authoritarian elite.

 

Obviously that is the text book choice.

But unfortunately, we live in the real world. With humans being in control of the trade side of things.
There is no such thing, outside a textbook, as a free market. Never has been, never will be.

You realize, our trade wars and tariffs are forcing compulsory conformity?

 

So the idea was to set out from the beginning to just do an impeachment for show business's sake, and that was the objective?

 

Impeachment is now a badge of honor, that means you did not cave in to the other party's coup attempt. History will no longer view impeachment as a bad thing thanks to idiot democrat antics.

 

LOL

Back in the Obama era "You didn't build that" means the private sector cannot take credit for anything, because everything good comes from government

Now in the Trump era, "You didn't build that" means the government cannot take credit for anything good.

 

And yet it was Democrats, Bernie and Hilary supporters, who ran around in violent angry mobs, beating Trump supporters. It was angry mobs of Democrats who were looting, burning and destroying public and private property. And yet you've turned a blind to it all, and pretend it's the Republicans and their voters who do that stuff.

I predict that the Democrat voters will behave as angry violent people in the 2020 election as well, it's who they are.

You just hate Trump, so you mischaracterize everything he does, and you project onto him.

Trump has had one continuous federal investigation against him since before he even took office. When it finally came time for all the Trump-haters to put up or shut up, they could not find even one crime against Trump to impeach him with.

 

Not being a member of congress or any political party, I don't know what the idea was from the beginning.

But they did an inquiry, they being the house, and had near a dozen witnesses testify that the July 25 call was very suspect and was trying to bribe a foreign gov't into opening an investigation into a potential political rival.
I believe the Defense from the accused was, yes, so what. That's not an impeachable action.
So, the house voted on whether it was or was not an impeachable offense. And now, he is the 3rd US president in history to have been impeached.

That is what has materialized from all of this.

 

In some cases I've no doubt they're being used monopolistically, but in general, business can go to the competition if they're unhappy with our tariffs.

Generally, foreign business is just bitching, but still doing business. Thats usually a sign that you're on the right track. Have you heard the old expression- the fairest deals usually leave both sides feeling just a little screwed?

And while its true there is no free market, there are means by which we could make it much less free. Theres also means by which we can allow ourselves to be taken advantage of. A balance that minimizes both is the one I will support.

 

The problem isn't Trump, The Dems have nothing to offer America but lies and empty promises and they will continue to lose because they really don't give a flying **** about America and haven't since they were co-opted by the progressives. For them it's all about power and nothing else and if that takes us down the road to communism they're down with that.

 

Meh. I hate misrepresentation of intent, regardless of party. He, of course (and you know that,) meant that the individual didn't build the streets, the infrastructure for water & electric, etc. You know this, and claim he meant that no individual ever built a business by working hard. Yet, you know better, because you can't build a business in today's world without electricity and water. Why repeat nonsense just 'cause? You sound as silly as those who say "free college is good because I don't have to pay for it."

Partisans are so dumb and non partisans see right through it. Go ahead, though, keep pandering to those who thought Obama meant nobody who works hard deserves anything.

And show me how Bill Gates got out there personally and built the cars & streets that get his employees to the office.

*eye roll*

 

I think we're on the same page.
But you have a different definition of globalism than I do.

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see globalism as authoritarian elite. Who/what is this elite you are worried about.
I say, if we sit it out, become protectionist, we won't have any say in how the global world will look. Pulling back is not working towards making globalism look and work with our interests in mind. To me, it's just the opposite.

 

Spot on.
Partisans seem to never get words from the opposing side correct. Always misinterpreted.

 

We can start by getting rid of the RNC/DNC co-op. This whole impeachment charade was nothing more than a demonstration of where the real power resides.

 

This will only happen through the voters.