What can Trump run on now that the economy is shot?

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  1. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As far as your assertion about how peoples minds work, I largely agree, except for obvious exceptions. Despite Republican's best effort, the general public did not blame Obama for having unemployment soar from 6.5% to 10.5% under his watch. It was obvious that was a unique situation that was clearly out of his control and not of his doing. If that analysis does not also fit the global economic collapse from the pandemic, I cannot imagine what ever would. A president's economic policies typically rightly or wrongly take the blame for recessions. This is a recession however, that is impossible to blame on economic policies. I have no doubt that Democrats will try their best to blame the recession on Trump, I just do not believe that it will work.

    Don't get me wrong, Democrats have been given a gift in that they were heading for an almost certain defeat, and now there is a lot of uncertainty brought into the process. That much cannot be denied. However, when it is all said and done, the fact that his approval rating for the handling of the economy was uber high just 5 or 6 months prior to the election, still bodes well for him being the one that people would prefer to guide the economy through these choppy waters. Obviously the results of our death rate in relation to the rest of the world will play a large role as well.
     
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  2. Daniel Light

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    Average Joe has a very short memory. What happened during the last month before the election will probably determine how things go. Not talking about the Trump Cultists or the virulent Anti-Trump crowd - those people have already decided. It's the voters who think about the 401k or their kids in school or their mood that week that swing elections - not people who post on political blogs.
     
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    Average Joe does have a very short memory....and he's the candidate.
     
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    I think that you are underestimating the uniqueness of this situation. If ever a situation has existed where a President is not responsible for an economic downturn, this is it. Additionally, deep down, who on earth would HONESTLY believe that what we and the economy need now is an increasingly frail, senile old man to take the reins? It just seems unlikely to me. At any rate, all either of us are doing is expressing an opinion. There is no reason to continue arguing our opinion. Only time will provide the answer. We also have a lot to see in regards to how our country fares in this epidemic relative to the rest of the world. I suspect that will play an enormous role, and that result is obviously yet to be determined.
     
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    Are you implying that Biden is somewhat flawed? Is that what it's down to for the Dem's, yeah, Joe's messed up but he's all we got.
    The "Creepy Joe" thing has been around for decades and now some how magically it will get old. Joe's the one who needs to worry about getting old, he's in some form of dementia and that is beyond denial.
    Yeah, because the president has a magic pot of gold that he can dip into without the consent of congress, right???
    This is the most ridiculous statement in this post. When Trump and Biden are head to head the Biden/Ukraine thing is going to explode.
    You make it sound as if COVID19 is Trump's fault and there are many in the MSM salivating to create that impression. America, at least those of us who voted for Trump and those who finally came to their senses and came on board, are not stupid. Donald Trump will be our next president because everyone that voted for him in 2016 and millions of new Trump voters will vote for him. We are in a situation that is unpredictable such that it cannot be blamed on anyone but China. We need the kind of leadership in the White House that existed during WWII, you are not going to get that from a corrupt, doddering and senile old man and his handlers. Biden is little more than a puppet now, do you want a country that is run by unknown proxies? Joe Biden is now little more than a cardboard cut out, the folks that'll be in charge will be the likes of the Obamas, the Clintons, Brennan, Clapper, Comey and George Soros, to name a few. We are talking about people who are about as American as Hugo Chavez.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You seem to be making a lot of assumptions in your post. This media overblown event is making Trump look very presidential and the polls are showing that to be a fact.

    Understand this,
    Trump did not create the Chinese virus.
    Obama did not create Ebola.
    Bush did create the bird flu.
    and
    Clinton was responsible for only a handful of herpes cases.
    **** happens.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I've admitted that but THIS pandemic started WITH Trump and nobody else.

    Are you honestly arguing that our godawful piss-poor response to THIS pandemic, would not have been at least a LITTLE better if we still had the billyfrisking OFFICE OF BLOODY PANDEMIC AWARENESS which Trump had abolished? I mean it has "pandemic" right in its job title, you don't think that would have been just a LITTLE helpful to have around?
     
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    Maybe to the low-information, low-intelligence voters who can think only in such simplistic terms. (I can't find toilet paper!) Others will know him for the smart moves he took in the face of a viral epidemic that was not his fault, including shutting off air traffic from China early (despite Democrats with their usual cry of xenophobia*), cutting through the bureaucratic red tape to rush the testing kits in, and assembling a world-class team of scientists and leaders from the private industry to combat the war.

    *One Democrat in Congress, as recently as March 5, tried to push through legislation that would ban travel bans! IOW, the leftist liberal was so determined that foreigners have the "right" to come to our country that she was trying to keep Trump from preventing flights in from virus-infected countries.
     
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    Again, just say'n. If your leader goes on National TV to calm fears over a crisis - and the next day the market drops 2,000 points and people run out to buy food and TP - well, you might not have the best leader for a crisis.
     
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    YOUR leader? Wait a sec. I thought I was talking with an American, about our American president. No offense, but I have no interest in defending our president, in the midst of a major crisis, to someone who is attacking him and isn't even a citizen of this country.
     
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    I was referring to Trump as leader in the general "your". I have a slightly hard time referring to Trump as my leader because I sort of had dealings with him before he was President.
     
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    I don't think a guy who attacks a reporter for asking a perfectly reasonable softball question which actually gives him a really good opportunity to say something which would have calmed our fears and made people feel lots better is looking Presidential at all. I think these polls are reflecting that people are scared and they don't want to admit that our major man in charge is a petulant narcissistic child.

    This pandemic will (hopefully) be over in November. I think the commercial which the DNC will be running made out of this will have been on for about a month by that time.
     
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    I see; you confused me. But of course he IS your leader, and your president, whether you like it or not. (BTW, as much as I disliked Obama, I never said he wasn't my president. Unfortunately, he was.)
     
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    I have never said Trump wan't the legally elected President - I just have a hard time seeing him that way because I've dealt with him prior to the Presidential crown.
     
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    It’s ironically evolved to “which Kook you like the best” choice
     
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    We can only hope.
    Followed by a ten minute commercial of Biden beauties.
     
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    The 4th quarter 2019 economic fundamentals weren't that great. Internet sales were up during the holiday season, but cumulative retail sales didn't meet expectations. GDP growth was around 2.1%. After adjustment for continuing low inflation, GDP growth was around 1%. Better than nothing...but hardly sufficient to justify a record breaking DOW average pushing 30,000. The pandemic provides a legitimate explanation for the fall in an over-valued market. Stay tuned for the second Great Depression.
     
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    The Trump administration will continue the policy that Americans are permitted to eat any food they like except for bat soup, dog or cat chow mein, monkey brains, toe foo, or any other foo for that matter
     
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    By September it will be impossible for the economy to get any worse.
     
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    Since Joe just demolished Bernie Probably time to give up the senility claim. Now the fact that Trump is now totally incoherent unless reading from a teleprompter should be a clue as to where the real dementia lies.
     
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    Sincerely, Joe did not just demolish Bernie. Rather, the Democrat establishment did by convincing Democrat primary voters that running Bernie in the general would spell disaster up and down the ballot. If you don't understand that dynamic, you are simply not in the know.
     
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    Everybody KNEW That:

    1) Regardless of what happened in the 1st 3 States That Biden was the Prohibitive Favorite.
    2) SC (the first test of Black Voting Strength) was Always Biden's Firewall and Biden was going to win Big
    3) The SC "Slingshot Momentum" Effect was going to lead to a HUGE Win (Across the Board) on Super Tuesday.
    ^ALL of the above was a Given (and had been for at least a year).

    Biden was ALWAYS going to use SC as a Firewall, Steamroll through Super Tuesday, and easily get the Dem. Nom.

    ^And, The above FACT had (absolutely) nothing to do with "convincing Democrat primary voters that running Bernie in the general would spell disaster up and down the ballot".

    THUS--"If you don't understand that dynamic, you are simply not in the know".:salute:
     
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    As bad as you want it to be Trump Vs. COVID-19, it's still going to be Trump Vs. Biden.

    I know you'd love to take the demented old guy out of the equation, but you just can't. He's your guy.
     
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    He can run on not being Joe Biden, like when he ran on not being Hillary Clinton.
     
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    I love how you provided this long reply that doesnt legitimately refute or address what I said, but you pretend that it does regardless. Bless your little heart. You sure are trying.
     
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