Attention all Soldiers and Veterans

LOL... I bet that sand feels super in your ears.... That idea that folks can so willingly defend the actions of folks, like CBS, who so actively are cheering for the nation to simultaneously rip itself apart, destroy itself, or otherwise produce as much pain and dependence as possible, it's telling. Really. It says that folks, like you, are willing to burn the house down just for your own spite of this nation.

 

He IS the enemy.

 

Again to accuse the media, CBS, me and God knows who else of "tearing" this nation apart as you cast a blind eye to Trump :
1- blaming the spread of Cororavirus on "Dem" states
2- threaten Dem states with withholding Federal funds
3- calling that group of demonstrators he had natl guard military and federal police forces cleared out with smoke and pepper balls so he could have a propaganda photo op terrorist. That day those demonstrators were peacefull
4- calls state governors jerks if they do not act "tough" and "dominate" the streets
5- threatens to invoke the 1807 riot disturbance rebellion act when Constotutionally that Ned's the invite of state governors and the need to do it
6- using some or many forces in DC whose uniforms have no such insignia just like his mentor and master Putin does
7- cons or Forces cabinet members and high ranking military to participate in his propaganda show

And thousands of other actions and tweets and words that divide our nation.

Does anyone recall a rally he held where he asked "where is my Afro-American"?

 

I said DUMPED Matthis. Parted company with him.

Long ago I learned you can't convince anyone of something the don't want to believe. It's important to know that such a condition is their problem, not mine. A lot of good people have helped me in this life, and I have helped those in need whenever it was possible. When I say helped- I don't mean feeding deadbeats or allowing abuse to go unrecognized or unpunished.

You read very selectively, not honestly; then you distort what you read to create argument. Why bother? Are you one of the street terrorists? They are the kind who benefit from that.
Honorable people don't benefit, and honorable people don't do it- and I don't respect people who are not honorable, and most certainly don't apologize to them for their own problems.

 

yep, not sure if lack of training or these are just bad cops\stupid cops

cause most know that if you taser someone, you do not immediately ask them to put their hands up as their muscles do not work at that point, tasing them again over and over is crazy

 

Stop you holier than thou crap and your apparent make believe honesty and false accusations against members on the forum.

The act of "dumping" someone is ha non technical word for firing or getting rid of. A few years ago when someone broke up with a girlfriend / boyfriend it was referred to "dumping someone.

I do not know why you talk about helping people in this context. If you do that is great that is being a good citizen good neighbor etc. That is why a whole bunch of us Vets ( and non Vets) volunteer at our VA. Well until we got locked out by this pandemic.

I do not recall impugning your character if I did that would be wrong. Therefore do not impure mine.

 

If you are not out criminally rioting, you have zero worries.

 

I think you impune the character of honorable people everywhere by the things you say you believe in.
When you take a position that deserves respect, you will get it.

People on the street claiming to honor Floyd George (the ex-con being arrested for passing counterfeit money) are also the people looting, burning and bricking the police.
I'm sure you think they deserve respect? Do you really believe such people deserve anything? You want to make an issue about Trump making an appearance in front of a church the thugs burned... but you don't have anything to say about the thugs who burned the church!!. What should I think of a person's character when they have things like this upside down?

Dumping means- separating, which may be mutual agreement or just not renewing an option. Firing is termination of an existing relationship. Not the same- except in the objective of ending the relationship. Obama dumped Mattis, you have no complaint. Trump dumps Mattis and whines, and all of a sudden he is some person worthy of respect- in fact, only respected by trump haters, and only for being useful to them.

IF a president feels any staff or advisor is failing to help fulfill the administration goals, that is what they should to- anything less would be compromise.
Trump should be firing a lot more.

 

Your usual self serving pablum. Thanks but I'll pass. You can't teach those who think they know everything anything. And that sadly is the problem with most leftist.

 

Your very own rhetoric proves the validity of my post. Look to your own language. You seem entirely willing to ignore that there actually were good reasons for any of the above, regardless of how you might wish to characterize them. You might wish to rethink your own messaging here. no? Were you not the one who told us that peaceful wasn't possible when it was folks protesting the lock downs? Were you not the person who has told us that you support the idea to defund police, to make crime unpunishable, unless it's against the authoritarian state you dream of? It seems to anyone who reads your posts that cannot ever be objective, or rational when it comes to your unrelenting hate of a guy who truly aims to cut out exactly the kind of corrupt abuse of power you so crave. And that is telling. Wax anyway you wish, it still comes out looking the way I have described you.

And the fact that you still believe somehow that a Russian president has the where with all to control a president belies your unwillingness to admit that perhaps the team you root for are as deeply controlled by the Chinese. No? So, how should we take you, and your rhetoric?

 

""I agree with him [Mattis]. I think we need to step back from the politics," Kelly said, without detailing which parts of Mattis' statement he agrees with most. "I think we need to reestablish, and I'm not a constitutional scholar but boy do I read a lot and I've re-read an awful lot in the last three weeks about the thinking that made our Constitution what it is, the men who made that Constitution, who developed that Constitution. And the separation of powers is very, very, very important. No president ever is a dictator or a king." - General John Kelly, USMC, Former trump Chief of Staff
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kelly-trump-military-force-agrees-with-mattis/

 

What rhetoric.. I listed actual things that Trump did and they were wrong to do.

You defend a guy who wants to shut down the free press.

Go and read what I posted about the defunding of police departments and stop your BS !

I did not discuss lockdowns so Stop falsely accusing me of doing so by burying your accusation into a question.
Stop accusing of hating the POTUS. You will never find the word "hate" any synonym of hate in my my in reference to this POTUS.

You accuse me of craving abuse of power when it is your POTUS who wants to send federal troops into the states to crush the demonstrators. How can you write such nonsense?

It is your guy who wants to shut down the free press your guy.

POTUS who calls the free "the enemy of the people" is Stalinist.

On the Russian president and control of your guy well of course there is no direct control but you need to admit that your guy behaves as if he fears that Putin knows something about your guy that your guy does not want made public. Is that what gets under the skin of Trump cultists?

As far as what team I root for you do not have a clue if I even root for a team much less which one.

Basically you either have me confused with someone else or maybe you are purposely conflating me with someone else.

Your accusations , innuendoes and cutesy indirect accusations imbedded in question is raw BS and you must know that, right?

 

Stop fantasizing or accusing me of thinking that looters and rioters deserve respect. Did I ever say that! You know that I did not so cut the crap!

Instead of trying to rationalize and split hairs on the meaning of dumping do and read the tweet where your boy said that he fired Mattis.

Why are you throwing in fecal matter about Obama "firing" of Mattis. Obama is not part of this topic. You know that Mattis retired right! Or are you not willing to acknowledge truth. What Obama did not do but your boy Trump did was to claim Mattis was fired. Go read and see the truth if you dare.

You yap about why I did not mention that St. John's church was burned well you do realize that neighter I nor you nor anyone can or needs to point out everything the rioters and looters do.

I should ask you why you never criticize the evil things that Trump does but I am not sinking to your level of silliness.

True that a POTUS can fire anyone who he appoints just because a POTUS can do something does mean that he should do it.

 

You ask one rational question, anyway.

Conservatives, including me- DO criticize Trump Fox news criticizes Trump. But it's relevant, not hate and hostility. If that is mentioned in discussion, the lefties jump on it like a duck on a junebug and try to blow it into something it's not; make it the entire scope of their argument and still never admit to the things done right or the overall balance. That's not discussion; thats bully talk from people who have no real argument.

NO president (nor anyone else) is perfect. NO cop is perfect. Life isn't perfectly fair- and the efforts to destroy what we have instead of legitimately improving it is utter, ignorant stupidity- but that doesn't seem to be high on your list, because you have bought into Trump hate and you can't see past it.

The question in every election is who will do the best job at improving the nation. It is always a choice between imperfects- and often, as in Trump's election, one between one of the most corrupt and core-evil politicians of our time, and a business professional who knows how to get things done, but steps on a lot of toes in the process. There's always a lot of people who will buy a comfortable lie over an uncomfortable truth- and they never seem to learn why that doesn't work.

IF you realized the scope and the massive damage and danger that the looters/rioters/arsonist present, why do you not mention that? Because that is not what you want to talk about. It should be the top priority on everyone's agenda, because it is huge and immediate threat to your future- nothing is more critical right now. But you want to argue over your hostility toward Trump... NOT what he has accomplished, only what you want to whine about. Everything for people like you is lopsided, like a scale with an elephant's foot on it when it helps you- and you can't read the needle when it's not.

And you say you should ask why I never criticize the evil things that Trump does. Because there ARE NO "EVIL" THINGS- (and I don't think you can actually identify one) except in your mind. Trump has plenty of faults, but he's way ahead of anyone else that was or is available for the job, and you will have to accept his miscellaneous imperfections. Lord knows he has to accept millions of them from the rest of the country.

 

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Air Force Gen. Richard Myers
Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George W. Bush
Interview with CNN on June 4
"The first thing was just absolute sadness that people aren't allowed to protest and that, as I understand it, that was a peaceful protest that was disturbed by force, and that's not right. That should not happen in America. And so I was sad. I mean, we should all shed tears over that, that particular act. ...I'm glad I don't have to advise this President. I'm sure the senior military leadership is finding it really difficult these days to provide good, sound military advice."
Army Gen. Martin Dempsey
Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Obama
Interview with NPR on June 4
"The idea that the President would take charge of the situation using the military was troubling to me."
William Perry
Former Defense Secretary served under Clinton
Twitter, June 4
"I am outraged at the deplorable behavior of our President and Defense Secretary Esper, threatening to use American military forces to suppress peaceful demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights. This is a deeply shameful moment for our nation."
Navy Adm. William McRaven
Former commander of US Special Operations Command under Obama
Interview with MSNBC on June 5
"You're not going to use, whether it's the military, or the National Guard, or law enforcement, to clear peaceful American citizens for the President of the United States to do a photo op. There is nothing morally right about that."
Navy Adm. James Stavridis
Former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO
Commentary published by Time on June 3
"Our active duty military must remain above the fray of domestic politics, and the best way to do that is to keep that force focused on its rightful mission outside the United States. Our senior active duty military leaders must make that case forcefully and directly to national leadership, speaking truth to power in uncomfortable ways. They must do this at the risk of their career. I hope they will do so, and not allow the military to be dragged into the maelstrom that is ahead of us, and which will likely only accelerate between now and November. If they do not stand and deliver on this vital core value, I fear for the soul of our military and all of the attendant consequences."
Army Gen. Raymond A. "Tony" Thomas
Former commander of US Special Operations Command under Obama and Trump
Twitter, June 1
On Esper's use of the term "battlespace" when discussing quelling violence on the streets amid civil unrest: "The 'battle space' of America??? Not what America needs to hear...ever, unless we are invaded by an adversary or experience a constitutional failure...ie a Civil War..."
Air Force Gen. Mike Hayden
Former director of the CIA and NSA under Bush and Obama
Twitter, June 2
On Milley joining Trump for his walk in front of the White House after protesters were cleared: "I was appalled to see him in his battle dress. Milley (he's a general?!?) should not have walked over to the church with Trump."
Ash Carter
Former Defense Secretary under Obama
Statement on June 5
"The Department of Defense exists to safeguard our citizens, not dominate them. I was dismayed to see DoD drawn inappropriately this week into the President's response to protests. There is here no need, no warrant, and no excuse to bring active-duty military force into the restoration of order. I say this as a former Secretary of Defense who death with many situations where military intervention was helpful, even vital, in the homeland — past epidemics, hurricanes and floods, and so forth. Equally abhorrent to me was the inclusion of defense leaders in political theater."
Leon Panetta and Chuck Hagel
Former defense secretaries under Obama
Joined Carter and 86 other former defense officials in Washington Post open letter on June 5
"As former leaders in the Defense Department — civilian and military, Republican, Democrat and independent — we all took an oath upon assuming office 'to support and defend the Constitution of the United States' as did the president and all members of the military, a fact that Gen. Milley pointed out in a recent memorandum to members of the armed forces. We are alarmed at how the president is betraying this oath by threatening to order members of the U.S. military to violate the rights of their fellow Americans."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/military-leaders-trump-floyd-protests/index.html

 

WOW!!!!Applause!!!!

 

Air Force Gen. Richard Myers
Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George W. Bush
Interview with CNN on June 4
"The first thing was just absolute sadness that people aren't allowed to protest and that, as I understand it, that was a peaceful protest that was disturbed by force, and that's not right. That should not happen in America. And so I was sad. I mean, we should all shed tears over that, that particular act. ...I'm glad I don't have to advise this President. I'm sure the senior military leadership is finding it really difficult these days to provide good, sound military advice."
Army Gen. Martin Dempsey
Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Obama
Interview with NPR on June 4
"The idea that the President would take charge of the situation using the military was troubling to me."
William Perry
Former Defense Secretary served under Clinton
Twitter, June 4
"I am outraged at the deplorable behavior of our President and Defense Secretary Esper, threatening to use American military forces to suppress peaceful demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights. This is a deeply shameful moment for our nation."
Navy Adm. William McRaven
Former commander of US Special Operations Command under Obama
Interview with MSNBC on June 5
"You're not going to use, whether it's the military, or the National Guard, or law enforcement, to clear peaceful American citizens for the President of the United States to do a photo op. There is nothing morally right about that."
Navy Adm. James Stavridis
Former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO
Commentary published by Time on June 3
"Our active duty military must remain above the fray of domestic politics, and the best way to do that is to keep that force focused on its rightful mission outside the United States. Our senior active duty military leaders must make that case forcefully and directly to national leadership, speaking truth to power in uncomfortable ways. They must do this at the risk of their career. I hope they will do so, and not allow the military to be dragged into the maelstrom that is ahead of us, and which will likely only accelerate between now and November. If they do not stand and deliver on this vital core value, I fear for the soul of our military and all of the attendant consequences."
Army Gen. Raymond A. "Tony" Thomas
Former commander of US Special Operations Command under Obama and Trump
Twitter, June 1
On Esper's use of the term "battlespace" when discussing quelling violence on the streets amid civil unrest: "The 'battle space' of America??? Not what America needs to hear...ever, unless we are invaded by an adversary or experience a constitutional failure...ie a Civil War..."
Air Force Gen. Mike Hayden
Former director of the CIA and NSA under Bush and Obama
Twitter, June 2
On Milley joining Trump for his walk in front of the White House after protesters were cleared: "I was appalled to see him in his battle dress. Milley (he's a general?!?) should not have walked over to the church with Trump."
Ash Carter
Former Defense Secretary under Obama
Statement on June 5
"The Department of Defense exists to safeguard our citizens, not dominate them. I was dismayed to see DoD drawn inappropriately this week into the President's response to protests. There is here no need, no warrant, and no excuse to bring active-duty military force into the restoration of order. I say this as a former Secretary of Defense who death with many situations where military intervention was helpful, even vital, in the homeland — past epidemics, hurricanes and floods, and so forth. Equally abhorrent to me was the inclusion of defense leaders in political theater."
Leon Panetta and Chuck Hagel
Former defense secretaries under Obama
Joined Carter and 86 other former defense officials in Washington Post open letter on June 5
"As former leaders in the Defense Department — civilian and military, Republican, Democrat and independent — we all took an oath upon assuming office 'to support and defend the Constitution of the United States' as did the president and all members of the military, a fact that Gen. Milley pointed out in a recent memorandum to members of the armed forces. We are alarmed at how the president is betraying this oath by threatening to order members of the U.S. military to violate the rights of their fellow Americans."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/military-leaders-trump-floyd-protests/index.html [/QUOTE]

Apparently, you failed to notice the rampant looting, vandalism, arson, brick barrage and general chaos that was the central message of the "peaceful protestors" in most every city.

You failed to notice that for the most part- the police were held back and gave those thugs free reign- and that the gutless governors and mayors did the same; probably issued the orders for the police to do that in the first place.

You failed to notice that Trump DID NOT send in the military; what he did was tell those morons that if they failed to protect the people in their cities and were going to let the street terrorists run wild- then there would be no choice but to call in the military.

THOSE THUGS IN THE STREET were the people violating the rights of all American citizens. Were you one of them??

I realize that in the throes of core hatred of Trump, many people may not have noticed these things, and having their heads up their assess to the shoulders, will make totally stupid statements like you quote here. Either that- or they know damn well what is going on and are willing to destroy the nation for some despicable reason that no honorable person can understand, or should tolerate.

 

I agree with the protesters on the street and I agree about trump
General Wesley Clark: Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000.

 

89 former Defense officials: The military must never be used to violate constitutional rights
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-never-be-used-violate-constitutional-rights/

 

No, were you one of the cops executing people in cold blood?

 

I read the first sentence of the OP. That was enough. This is simply another 'hair on fire' TDS thread.

It's a great example of why there can no longer be rational political discourse.

 

It comes from General Mattis,

Guess they didn't tell you that on the crackpot report on Fox eh?

LOL!

 

And?

 

You could care less about the Constitution. Nuff said.

Good to clearly identify the enemy; according to the oath taken by soldiers and patriots.

 

Those who dismiss veterans of the caliber of General Mattis are non-believers in American values, the Constitution, and the Republic.