Trump Plans to Withdraw thousands of U.S. Troops From Germany, a Key NATO Ally

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  1. Dayton3

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    Actually Helmut Kohl deserves most of the credit for that.

    And losing 133,000 people to a disease in a nation the size of the U.S. is hardly a disaster.
    You (as well as so many others, including many Americans) forget how large the U.S. is.

    More than half of those who have died in the U.S. were the elderly or in prison. The nonproductive members of our society.
     
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    Bunker Boy screwed it up, bigly, easy and fast, making the US #1 in the world.
    MAGA = Make America's Graves Again.
     
  3. ErikH

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    Thats the past Dayton. USA doesnt have the power anymore to project power in that area. We enter the post american century.

    You dont even have the power anymore to topple someone like Assad.

    USA was a rather shortlived empire. You were at your peak from 50th to the 80th. In the 90th first erosion was visible which accelerated in the up to 2010 and went into complete
    collapse since 2016.

    Your responsibility will be to find your place in the world without violence and accept your new position as one under many. Some nations did well in that regard, like the UK. Others did not so well
     
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    130,000 and counting, in 3 Month, is a National Disaster
     
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    Elderly and in prison, unproductive members of society. Now dive into social darwinism? I dont know how you see your parents, but i would not want them to drown slowly with collapsing lungs.

    And losing 133.000 is a desaster, when a nation like Germany with roughly one third of your population goes out of this with 8000 death.

    And we do that without 40 million unemployed.
     
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    My parents are dead. But even in the 1990s when they were in their 70s and I was having to make a major decision that would impact both myself and them, my dad urged me to make my decisions based on what was best for me and disregard he and mom.

    He said simply "Our time has come and gone".
     
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    Over here we dont let our parents die If we can prevent it.
     
  8. Dayton3

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    Not here either. But I don't believe in taking extraordinary measures either.
     
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    wow, just wow.

    There is nothing else i can say rearding that.

    Your mentality is like some sick and twisted dystopia.
     
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    Did she?

    "We now know that neither Germany nor France is counting the deaths from coronavirus that occur outside of hospitals, and that the Germans don’t call it “death from coronavirus” if the patient had a previous illness."

    The US is going in the opposite direction in counting COVID-19 deaths, so I'm not sure why your bragging about fudging the numbers.
     
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    That is bullshit. Infact some here critic that evryone is counted as CORONA death, no matter if he had cancer and so on. The critics say Germany labels too many as Corona victims.

    Why do you spread fake news?

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/how-germany-contained-the-coronavirus/

    The "open the lockdown" morons critisize our government to overblow teh numbers by counting evryone as Corona victim and now it appears your american propaganda turns it by 180° to make you look better.

    Funny.
     
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    There have been indications that nursing homes in the U.S. are "labeling" a large number of deaths that have occurred in the last several months as due to the COVID-19 virus. This helps to reduce potential liability.
     
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    Guess because of that they now use tents and trucks for corpse storagement in New York, dig mass graves and in Brazil the far right tropical trump Bolsonaro who claims that Covid-19 is just tehf ku faces collapse of his regime, because he cant hide the death anymore.

    The problem with your conspiracy theories is, that two groups of nutjobs make the oppossite conspiracy theoriy and both sides fail.

    Im glad to live in a civilized nation with the most ICU in the world.

    I would not want in a rotten country like USA, where people are left to die.
     
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    Does this quote come from this website?
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020...snt-ready-it-may-never-fully-recover/#slide-1

    Edit: just clicked the two words in your comment.
     
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    Your article didn't address how COVID-19 deaths are counted in Germany. That was what I was talking about.
     
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    As someone who reads German speaking news (Germany, Austria, Switzerland), Dutch speaking news (Netherlands, Belgium) and English speaking news, I can only shake my head in disbelief at that article you quoted.
    Don't get me wrong, not blaming you as you surely didn't write it, but is that considered reliable journalism in the new world? I hope not.
    First of all, that text is from March 27, so reality has already proven its obviously agenda driven predictions to be incorrect and wrong. Spain doesn't have a communist government, just one of several highly incorrect claims in that article.
    During the first couple of days of the pandemic, most European countries acted "we first" (our 'merican friends should be familar with this concept). However, after the initial shock, governments got their acts together and showed a surpising amount of solidarity. I could give you several links, but they are not in English.

    The claim about how Germany counts its Corona related deaths is plain wrong, and I assume the author did that on purpose. The Robert-Koch-Institut is the federal agency in charge, plus, every state in the country has its own agencies collecting their own data on top of that to make sure the numbers are as correct as possible.
    https://correctiv.org/faktencheck/2...m-sterben-werden-in-die-statistik-aufgenommen

    The claim that deaths outside of hospitals are not counted or collected is simply fasle, in other words: a lie.
    "Als Todesopfer im Zusammenhang mit dem Coronavirus gelten alle, die zum Zeitpunkt des Todes die Diagnose Covid-19 hatten."
    (Every person who had Covid-19 at the time of their death is counted as a fatality related to the Coronavirus.)

    This means that the number of people who died solely due to the Coronvirus is in reality lower than the numbers that are published. Authorities are transparent about this and provide additional information regarding the collected data. The claim made in the nationalreview is simply bs.
    I myself have relatives working as medics, they count every Corona death, be it inside or outside of hospitals.

    The claim regarding the headlines from March 7 is wrong, in fact it's completely made up. Here are the headlines from German Bild (a crap paper that I don't like), no Greta there. Feel free to click and search for her.
    https://www.bild.de/archive/2020/3/7/index.html

    Headlines from Tagesschau, definitely one of the most important media outlets in the country., no Greta.
    https://www.tagesschau.de/archiv/meldungsarchiv100~_date-20200307.html

    The claim that "In Germany, at the beginning of March, the controversy that dominated the nation was whether to erect a huge statue of Lenin in a small North Rhineland town" is highly misleading at best. First, the city in question is not a small town, second, this was in no way "the controversy that dominated the nation." That's again another lie.
    I could go on, but I assume you get the point. My suggestion, don't read this digital toilet paper. And if one reads crap like that, one should be very critical and not credulously believe it only because it fits one's political beliefs.
    Sorry about this rather long post, but media bs like that cannot be dealt with in two sentences.
     
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    Your bullshitr article was dismissed from Caligula below my post.

    I just find it crazy that you guys over there spread fake news to make you look better.
     
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    That's an interesting response. I ran the very first link you provided through Google Translate and it seems to confirm that Germany counts anyone with a positive test as died of Covid-19.

    Of course, as you pointed out, more than a month passed between the two articles. When was that criteria established?
     
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    Not true. Even now, the U.S. has the capability of putting 250,000 troops into combat 5,000 miles from the borders of the lower 48 states. No other in the world can do that. Not China, Russia, or even the combined European Union. Certainly not the "we have no enemies" Germans
     
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    Yet your article didn't address what I wrote. At least Caligula understand my point. You didn't.
     
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    You were unable to topple Assad. Its over for you. New powers rise and fill the void you leave.

    We dont need to move troops. Why should we?

    We have excellent relations even with Iran. And btw troops in 21st century are worthless, just meat. You dont win wars with meat anymore.

    I did understand it. I just was not interested in wasting time in finding a more specific source.
     
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    The U.S. made no effort to topple Assad.
     
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    Name a war that's been won without them kid.
     
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    Not Hardly!

    Remember Trump got tough on :flagcanada: trade abuses ignored by Obama + Bush, Jr.




    It is not only about the expense to maintain "their" defense
    but, the "money" those base consumers infuse into "their" economy paid for by the :flagus: tax payer .



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