Trump Plans to Withdraw thousands of U.S. Troops From Germany, a Key NATO Ally

We don't. I have no idea where you tapped into that falsehood. If you persist in claiming it then you need to cite an unbiased source.

 

Citation required.

 

I never claimed you claimed the above. What you inferred was that a Nation that has police can not be great - which was a ridiculous comment.

 

Too bad you made that error. I inferred nothing of the sort. I you seriously think otherwise your reading skills are on a par with many of our ignorant foreign members here.

 

Of course you did - the above infers that a "Great Place" would not need police. This is an ridiculous comment.

 

Why do you care?

 

Why I care does not change the fact that your comment was ridiculous. Get it - Got it - Good

 

Just for you
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He is not that wrong.

 

Just for you
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/life-expectancy-for-american-men-drops-for-a-third-year/

 

I'll tell you what the problem with this is -- exactly. To begin with Russia wants the US out of Germany, more evidence that Trump is doing Putin's bidding. Why would Putin want us out of Germany you wonder? It's because Germany is the only country standing between Russia's aggression into Europe.

The Ukraine crisis has revealed the strengths of German foreign policy, it's diplomatic skill and economic power and Germany's weakness which is a lack of military muscle. Putin is well aware of this and it's why he wants Trump to weaken Germany's defenses by pulling US troops out.

There's another reason why this is a horrible decision. Today there are huge bases like the air force base in Ramstein, which mostly serves U.S. purposes. Ramstein is a hub for U.S. military operations in Arabic countries such as well Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Syria. This base also serves as a medical base for about any U.S. soldier in Europe, the Middle East and Africa who is injured and needs urgent medical treatment. If the U.S. isn't able to operate this base, they would hardly be able to perform long range operations in the Middle East. Besides that, Ramstein is an important facility for the drone war. This base does not serve the purpose to defend Germany against enemies, it is there for the self-interests of the USA.

Why does Germany allow the U.S. to run these bases? First of all, we regard ourselves as a close ally which does not want to deny support if necessary. Much of this presence also is part of our NATO obligations. And don't forget that a huge US military base is also an economic benefit for the whole region. On the other hand it is a weird idea that Germany should pay a lot of money to help the U.S. to maintain its global military doctrine.

Let me put this bluntly. Do we want to see Europe fall to Russian dominance?

 

Which still has it only a few years from the highest life expectancy in the world. And still better than men in all minority groups in the U.S. except for Asians.

 

Hey lady I hear you. I'm all for war with Russia. Let's kick their ass. Russia, China, and Iran.

 

Russia has spent the past 2 decades developing truck-mounted missiles, air launched cruise missiles and surface to air missiles to counter the USAF and its missiles. In the event of a conflict between Russia and the US, Russia would likely knock out the US’s airbases in the first hours of a war. However, US cruise missiles would likely be unable to penetrate Russian air defenses and knock out Russian air bases, as demonstrated in Syria. Therefore, the Russian Air Force would be able to quickly gain air superiority in a war with NATO and bomb their forces into submission.

All in all, 30 years ago the US would have probably been able to beat Russia due to its lopsided advantage in precision guided munitions. Nevertheless, times have changed and Russia has done a far better job designing its military around these realities. In the event of a conflict today, Russia would likely deal the US an unprecedented defeat due to a combination of its superior numbers and better designed military. Would the US have the support of the EU if Trump has already shown he has no regard or respect for NATO?

Additionally, it was estimated that in early 2019, more than 90% of the world's 13,865 nuclear weapons were owned by Russia and the United States. That's a lot of nuclear bombs, enough to exterminate a massive portion of the world's population.

 

Most are not deployed for immediate use.

 

Trump Plans to Withdraw thousands of U.S. Troops From Germany, a Key NATO Ally

In his White House remarks to reporters, Trump suggested his troop withdrawal decision was intended to punish Germany, noting that the presence of American troops is a boost to local economies.

“Those are well-paid soldiers,” he said. “They live in Germany. They spend vast amounts of money in Germany. Everywhere around those bases is very prosperous for Germany. So Germany takes, and then on top of it they treat us very badly on trade.”

Wow, how funny. Now Germany states, “We hope to be at 2% by 2031.”

Germany commits to NATO spending goal by 2031 for first time
EURACTIV.com with Reuters

What a piece of crap run country. Only when threatened with American dollars leaving Germany did Merkel even attempt to change.

 

Facts? OK ...

#1
Trump claims wordly on press the press conference yesterday that there are 52,000 troops in Germany...
This shows how uninformed this fool is ... because there are only 34,500 US soldiers according to the Pentagon ... not 52,000 soldiers!

#2
Trump claims that these soldiers are in defense of Germany ... against Russia.
This is a total lie!
Less than a quarter of these 34,500 soldiers are any sort of combat troops (mainly 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment is). Likewise, the US bases in Germany serve only and exclusively as a forward operating base, logistics and medical center and intermediate station for all US activities throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. This not only has nothing to do with defending Germany ... no ... it has very little to do with NATO! These are things that only have to do with pure US interests, but nothing with NATO or Germany's defense!
If Trump actually weakens this own capacity for his own interests, he will kick himself and the USA himself and we Germans will just laugh at you for your stupidity!


#3
Trump claims that Germany does not fullfill is obligation to invest 2% of GDP into his military ...
Fact is that there is a NATO contract done in Wales / UK in 2014 which says that any NATO member has to fullfill from 2024 onwards ... and do we have 2024 yet? No ... we have 2020!

#4
Trump says Germany doesn't pay enough into NATO because of that ...
Again, this shows that Trump is just a fool ... because he messes up 2 different things ...
The 2% duty only applies to your own national military spend, but not 1 cent of it goes to NATO!
But there is also a NATO budget ... for example the cost of the NATO HQ in Brussels and a few other things. The USA currently pays the largest share here with around 22% ... but who is in second place with 15%? Exactly ... Germany!
Trump had already announced that it would cut to just a little bit of over 16%, Germany had announced that it would increase to the same percentage.

#5
Trump claims that the (alleged) wrongdoing costs US taxpayers a lot of money.
Sorry ... how ridiculous is that now please? That is more than an outrageous lie!
The facts presented above clearly show that the 34,500 US soldiers have practically nothing to do with NATO and the alleged defense of Germany, but almost only with their own US interests worldwide!
What then do the costs have to do with Germany? Nothing ... absolutely nothing!

Conclusion:

Facts Mr. Trump ... Facts please and none of the fake news that you have spread again like here!
But I am already aware that Trump fans will denie it all again ... as always, because if Trump suddenly claims that 1 + 1 = 11 and all those who claim 2 is correct, spread fake news .. then Trump’s fans will agree to their idol again. Absolutely hopeless cases these people with the ridiculous red MAGA cap on their heads!
And honestly ...
If the ungrateful USA wants to withdraw its soldiers, then please go ... everyone please!
This threat and announcement from Trump totally fizzles out ... only makes him more ridiculous ... and only damages the USA itself in the end ... but not Germany at all, on the contrary!

Only this drum fire of lies and fake news that Donald Trump constantly makes against my country makes the United States increasingly unpopular with us and you are taken less and less seriously.

 

This will mean that the US has paid for German defense? Ehm ... seriously?

The costs you have with your 34,500 soldiers with us, as well as the general presence of these soldiers, but they have almost nothing to do with defending Germany and / or NATO ... but with your own global interests what you need the bases like Ramstein with us for and where you can get into serious trouble without these bases!

And by the way ... your ingratitude is really gigantic, that we also pay your presence with us with our tax money for it ... or what do you think who pays the gigantic electricity bill of Ramstein Air Base, eh?

 

So much lies in so few spoken words ... amazing!

The money which these "so well paid US soldiers" leave in Germany is a myth and fairy tale only! They spend most of it in their PX stores and not in local business and they also live mostly in their isolated areas ... called little Americas ... with rare contact to the locals!"

And yes ... some are telling we will maybe do in 2031 only ... but hey, you know what? The duty to fulfill starts in 2024, so why this BS demands from trump to do now, eh?

P.S.
And this time Merkel makes no attempt to change, becase we are over with your silly blackmailing against us. The clear political German answer is out of this constnat blackmailing: If you want to go, then go ... please ... and at best all of you!

 

Lets assume all those 9500 soldiers are E6, than they have max $42,000 a year, a little bit over 30,000 Euro before tax. That ain't much if they have family and have them with them, even if the whole family lives on base. If they live of base than it gets rather expensive, probably to expensive.
Highly payed my arse.
For the German economy, what ever those " highly payed " soldiers spent in Germany, is not even a drop of a hot stone.

 

... which they're certainly not (the vast majority PFC to sp4 more than likely)....

3 hots and a cot and PX prices is pretty cheap living and clothing is all DX.

... don't they get an off-base allowance?

Compared to civvie life at home maybe they are.

That's a stone fact.