Possible Additions to the Confederate Generals

Indeed, the Confederates put all the Nazis to shame in regard to being evil. Not only were the Confederates.
fighting to perpetuate and advocate a system of slavery based on white supremacy they were killing thousands of their countrymen and being traitors to the nation that gave them birth to do so. The Nazis, at least, were fighting for their fatherland. You seem to think yourself a moral person, how can you defend such entirely reprehensible behavior?

And the fact that these reprobates were mainly from Virginia, the state that literally founded the USA makes it even worse. These men turned their backs on what many people, including myself, see as humanity's most noble experiment and would have destroyed the whole thing in favor of a nation that would have been an international pariah and probably have returned us to being provinces of Great Britain by the end of the century had they succeeded.

It is the height of illusion and the apex of folly to regard a cause as worthy because those who defend it approach nobility in doing so. These statues should be in a museum so we may study them and realize that good men may still follow bad ideologies. If we leave them in our Capitol that tells others, and even our descendants, that we approved the evil they were fighting for.

 

It will not if we stop Trumpand his supporters from destroying our country and our freedoms and our Constution.

 

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You can say the Nazis fought for the homeland but at the same time, the vast majority of Southernors, who by the way did not own slaves, did not fight for their homeland?
The Nazi hordes did not confine their activity to the "homeland". They invaded countless countries as far away as Africa. It would require a head full of sauerkraut for a German to think he was fighting for homeland to think that. On the other hand, the confederates only left their homeland on two short lived occasions I know off and the purpose of both were merely to distract from the invasion of their homeland.
Why do you think the majority of Southerners fought to uphold a system of Slavery when they owned none? They actually had to compete against those that did! Many despised aristocracy and merely fought against invasion.
Don't get me wrong. my ancestory proves I am a Unionist and my Quaker background would indicate an abolitionist position. However, the truth of history is of utmost importance to me.

 

Neither the Nazis nor Southern traitors deserve defense or statues

 

Genghis Khan was conquering what is the greatest world empire that has ever existed with people who according to Harold Lamb, had "a level of cultural development about the same as North American Plains Indians" It killed more people than have ever been, before or since, but it was strangely tolerant of all religions and ethnicities and pursued no policies of genocide or ethnic cleansing, at least not at first. Genghis killed so that he would not be resisted further and this was very much the accepted way of conquest in his age. The Confederate Generals were defending a form of slavery which even in their own era was making our nation a despised pariah in the world.

There is a speech, not the famous "positive good" one, but it was nevertheless a speech, I think by the same John C. Calhoun, ( I have looked for it but can't find it). In any case, it is a speech in which he freely admits that the average Southron who owned no slaves was fighting for the wealthy planters who he knew despised him because slavery meant that he was not the lowest person in the South's social "order" I wish I could find it. It is quite a shocking thing to realize that people will die and even more surprisingly, kill others, for such an unworthy goal.

 

Because it was an unworthy use of a brilliant man. His statue should be in a museum where the tragedy of his use to promote a great evil can be studied as the cautionary tale it is. In the Capitol, this says that what he did was admirable and should be emulated not warned against.

 

Although who else do the Mongols have to celebrate?

I'd say that the south has better people to celebrate than those who thought keeping slaves was so important that it was worth killing their fellow americans over.

Many great statesmen, scientists, and religious figures have come from the south and instead they have statues put up of the men who led the absolute most shameless and immoral rebellion in early modern history.

 

Probably not the thread for it, but can you explain how...

How Trump supporters have the blood of the dead constitution on their hands and how Trump is strangling democracy to death?

 

I don't know what a John Calhoun speech has to do with anything in this thread, but it's weird that you would despise a statue of Calhoun more than one of Genghis Khan.

 

Confederate statutes are not the only ones in the South, they are simply the most triggering (for now).

 

"His statue should be in a museum "

I'd be ok with that too tbh..... I was just trying to play devil's advocate

 

I don’t think you understand what you are saying.
Those who fought against their nation were Democrats.
The Confederates were Democrats.
Their Generals were Democrats.
Democrats owned slaves.
Democrats called themselves the “party of the white man.”
Andrew Jackson was a prolific racist who owned 300 slaves and is responsible for the Trail of Tears.
Jim Crow laws were passed into law by Democrats—-not Republicans.
The Black Codes were passed into law by Democrats—-not Republicans.
Segregation in schools was outlawed by Republicans.
The KKK was started by Democrat Confederates and Robert Byrd was a sitting senator from WV and was a member Of the KKK as were many Dixiecrat governors, Congressmen and Supreme Court justices. Byrd died in 2010 and the Clintons and Joe Biden eulogized him at his funeral as their “mentor.” What does that say?
The Democrats passed ZERO civil rights legislation from the end of the Civil War to the 1960s. that’s 100 years
The Democrats did not vote for the 13th Amendment which freed the slaves.
The Democrats did not vote for the 14th Amendment which gave citizenship to slaves.
The Democrats did not vote for the 15th Amendment which gave slaves the right to vote which is totally ironic Since they can’t live without pandering for Black votes today.

I could keep going, but I think you see the point now. Democrats are engaging in revisionist history to make themselves out to be the crusading moral good guys, but they anything but. The truth of who was on the right side and who was on the wrong side lies in their voting records and the Democrats voted nay to helping out Blacks for 100 years until they needed their votes. But no amount of toppling statues or changing names of forts or spin from the Democrats can erase their despicable behavior or their history.

 

Open your eyes. Look at what so called AG Barr has done using the justice department to get the criminal Flynn off from receiving justice.
Trump circumventing and ignoring Congress. I could go on and on.

 

Love your thoughts and find them a fitting suggestion if you are prone to ignore US history and feel the need to search elsewhere, something I find lefties take unusual pleasure in doing.
This country has plenty of its own history and we need to have all of that remembered both the good and bad. I understand the leftie mentality of rewriting history and maybe that is reflected in the horrible educations given to our children but if you are one of the everybody gets a trophy crowd, we have lots of history books to read before passing out the awards. Right now it would be nice if they could graduate high school just learning how to read cursive.

 

They are not celebratory they are reminders of what once was and why we should never go there again. And how even the best of us can get caught up grotesqueries of conscience. By the way Trump is far less if a threat to the constitution, among other things than the people currently occupying a small chunk of Seattle and there ideas.

 

Calhoun had an agenda. Alex D' Toqueville, a French Historian who traveled America in the 1840's I believe, gave his oblective view and the contrast between North and South. The difference was night and day. In the north, extending through the midwest, you had many small villages or "Burgs". with small farms in between. Every village had a blacksmith, a wheelwright, a barrelmaker, and those of other trades. A lot of entrepreneurs who supported themselves rather well. By contrast, in the South you had Plantations distanced far apart. With slave labor, they were rather self sufficient In between you had vast areas of hardscrabble farmers and poor whites that could not compete with the slave labor. Their commerce was very limited.

I know what it is like to be a licensed contractor in he Southwest and try to compete with illegal immigrants that wealthy homeowners employ exclusively. They don't pay employment taxes and a lot of work in lean times is lost to them. It's pretty comparable to the slave labor of the South. Though I resent that fact, I wouldn't live anywhere else so I understand the plight of the poor Southerner prior to the Civil War. There is a sense of regional pride.....not a bad thing.

 

You could go on and on with nonsense, but you can't seem to point to the law or the constitution being violated.

 

That's horse ****. You don't name military bases after people you want to warn against

 

Who's at fault there?

You Republican southern neighbors

 

Well Lesh....as far as I know, President Trump is the only President in recent History that has done anything to secure the border, though at one time, Barrack Hussein Obama gave lip service to it.

 

Talking about statues not necessarily bases. Call them anything you want.

 

I want all references to that pos Martin Luther king jr erased, that abuser of women who sat in a hotel room and watched his friend rape another woman. Once that is done, then maybe we can talk about removing the statues of men who fought for the cause of their homeland.

 

You think a statue isn't a celebration of the person it ....celebrates?

Are there placards explaining how wrong they were at the base?

No?

Go away

 

Nonsense. Hundreds of miles of fence were built under previous administration...mere miles under the Orange retard.

He's been playing you right along

 

Statues for celebration a hundred years ago are object lessons today.