Trump didn't create this mess. He just made it worse

On the right, the strawman "du jour" ("of the day", for those who don't speak Eye-talian ) is "you liberals think Trump created this...(virus, financial crisis, ...bad situation)" Because nobody knows what we "liberals" believe better than Fox and their wingnut echo-chamber. Not even we liberals, ourselves. So they repeat this over and over to their audience, until they start repeating the same to us...

So, seriously. Here is reality.

Trump didn't create this virus: He just made it worse by lying about it, saying that it was "under control", that it would go away "like magic", and took no steps to alert the public, allow the governors to take necessary steps to deal with it, or take any necessary steps to mitigate the effects. And, to preempt the other Fox strawman: No! The China travel ban is no excuse. Even if that delayed the spread of the virus for a few days, not other steps were taken so the effects were null. And I couldn't care less about the third strawman ("but Biden said...") Biden didn't say what Fox claims, but even if he did, he is not the President. Trump is.

Trump didn't create this financial crisis: He just made it worse. Not only because of the above, but because his lack of leadership and coordination has created a stop and go situation for the economy that could have been avoided. An orderly reopening of the country, coordinated by the federal government, following federal government guidelines, would have insured a proper re-opening. Which means a campaign for people to wear masks, instead of looking for "vudu" remedies that only made things worse. His lack of support for the heroes act is incredible, given that it benefits the people. You would think that would be desirable in an election year. But there is nothing in there for big corporations. And Trump will not have that. So the economy suffers.

Trump didn't create the protests: He just made them worse. Instead of acknowledging that BLM has a legitimate demand, he demonizes them by identifying with some phantom made up "AntiFascist" group that has nothing to do in any of this. And his removing peaceful protesters for a photo-op holding a Bible upside down is certain to be remembered for a long time as one of the worst political flops of the century. All it accomplished was to enrage people further and keep the protests going for weeks (maybe months) longer.

And Trump didn't create the immigrant crisis, or corruption in government, or our national debt, or Mitch McConnell, or racism, or morons who won't wear masks, or .... so many many things that are wrong in this country. But he damn sure made them all way worse!

 

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

 

Convince me that BLM has a legitimate demand. Nearly every death of a black person at the hands of law enforcement was preceded by resisting arrest. Resisting arrest results in confrontation which increases the likelihood of death. Even Floyd resisted arrest. Teach blacks to cooperate with the police rather than encouraging them to resist.

 

That's not the whole picture though.

 

It is a problem

in America in Australia and many other places worldwide

time and beyond time for us to become colour blind and embrace multicultural societies

But Trumps inability ti lead in this is inhibiting resolution

and there is no doubt that Trump has managed a cluster muck up of the COVID response in America

The latest - America may remain on the “no fly” list for Europe and the rest of the world until you lot get your act together and do something about the spread of this virus in your country

 

That is the way it usually starts.

 

You failed to address my point.

By the way I have been to Australia several times. You treat the Aborigines worse than the blacks are typically treated in the US.

 

OK. So, how can we, as a society, examine the situation without prejudice? It's difficult because different people will feel differently about a situation.

For example, I had a neighbor whose son stole some food and toys to provide for his family at Christmas. He was caught and beaten by cops. He ended up in a coma and died several weeks later. To law-abiding people, he was nothing but a petty thief. To his family, he was a human being that made a mistake and was trying to "do the right thing" by his family. Did he deserve to pay for that mistake with his life? If so, did Otto Warmbier deserve to live in some kind of coma state and be returned to his parents all but officially dead? He broke the law in North Korea and paid dearly for that mistake.

I'm NOT advocating for anyone to break the law. I'm simply pointing out that the same incident *looks* different depending on what side you're on. Neither is absolutely right nor wrong. It's a matter of perspective.

 

This is why I have said both in Australia and America - or did you miss that?
What I wanted to do though was bring this thread back on topic and your post was essentially off topic

 

The problem with the BLM is that they demonize the police which virtually encourages disrespect and resisting arrest. Law enforcements' problems are miniscule compared to BLM.

I don't know the case you are referring to. However, I am guessing there is much more to the story. I have seen almost no case where the police beat or killed someone that it was not preceded by resisting arrest.

 

My post is off topic only if you assume that Golem is absolutely correct. I am disputing his premise.

You may have been referring to both the US and Australia, but most of your words referred to the US.

 

1. Granted, it is not the best way to express one's anger, frustration and helplessness.

2. The "case" wasn't ever made public. My neighbor buried her son. The point being, there are untold stories of all kinds of crimes by LEOs and the elites of society. The fact they never made the news doesn't make them any less real.

 

I am still betting that there is a better than even chance that the beating was preceded by resisting arrest.

Resisting arrest invariably ends in confrontation. Confrontation increases the chances of a situation which gets out of control which increases the chances of it ending badly.

 

OK. I've been on both sides of that weapon. It's not pretty.

 

BLM and Kaepernick should ask themselves, how many black deaths are they responsible for when they demonize law enforcement?

 

You ignored most of Golems points to try and make the thread about BLM instead

common tactic on here - if the OP hits too close to home take the thread off topic

 

What for? If you haven't been convinced by now no one will ever convince you, it would be a waste of time.

 

He covered a number of topics. I chose one of them. The one in which I was most interested. You are, in fact, taking it off topic by attacking me instead.

 

Fact. According to a San Francisco study, blacks are eight time more likely to resist arrest than whites.

Fact. The overwhelming majority of the deaths are after resisting arrest.

Now what part of that is not true?

 

If that's true then your post was in essence "a waste of time"

 

Please quote the article in the U.S. code that states that resisting arrest is punishable by death. If you can't, you will have proven that their demands are legitimate.

Teach police not to kill black people rather than encouraging them to protest for months.

 

You are being disingenuous. They are being killed as punishment. They are being killed as a consequence of resisting arrest.

 

Show any directive, procedure, instruction, rule... anything... in police procedures that says that killing black people is the proper way to deal with resisting arrest. If you can't, you will have proven that BLM has a legitimate demand.

 

Yeah it was Trump running around rioting. Oh wait, throwing bricks and looting make you immune to viral infection.