Is Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

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  3. Its complicated.

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's right. Or just avert your eyes if you think it will taint your morals. We don't want anyone rushing out collecting slaves just because they got a glimpse of the Confederate flag. :lol:

    It would be very interesting to know the percentage of flagophobes who see no criminal/violent influence in owning guns or watching violent films/video games.

    Guns-films-flags.
     
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  2. Thingamabob

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    I read somewhere that it was only 98 percent but I’m not willing to argue over it.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The Stars and Bars were a Battle Flag. Battle flags indicate where your soldiers are and are the location they are supposed to rally round. I don't see how one can be any more of a banner than that.

    And the Southern States were clearly fighting for the continuance of black slavery. Can you please tell me whatever else that might involve other than "allegations" of White Supremacy?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Pimping sister Daisy for ratings, the perverts

    General Lee was a character car, and as an inanimate haunted historical character (wasn't he haunted by General Lee just like the LittleTank was haunted by General Stuart?) he was entitled to an identifier, sort of like the lights on the KITT car or the original Cylons (#By Your Command) (source. McAnon's Made Up Book of Sources)
     
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    That is...quite a rambling, off-topic comment, and damn me for actually understanding some of it.

    No, the General Lee was not haunted like the tank from the DC Comics series The Haunted Tank. The haunted tank was a WWII M3 Stuart tank, haunted by the ghost of confederate general J.E.B. Stuart, who would periodically give the crew tips on how stay alive/defeat the Krauts (can we still say 'Krauts' or will I be cancelled for that?).

    Of course that comic has long ago joined Blazing Saddles, Hogan Heroes, The Dukes of Hazzard and other cancelled pop culture items that are now considered doubleplusungood. Still...the season one finale of Stargirl showed a scene with a movie marquee showing a movie called...The Haunted Tank. Obviously corona hasn't hit Earth 2 yet.

    End ramble--back on topic.
     
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    181 Posts but yet not one single CSA Flag has been posted yet. @Right is the way is probably laughing at the OP just like me.

    For any uninformed jews (not mentioning any names), the CSA Flag is my avatar. Does that make me a White Supremacist? Racist?

    Good one @Lil Mike.

    A self-admitted jewish state...if that's not an admission of racism, I don't know what is. I personally have no problem with it but when a jew starts a bullshit thread about racism.....haha....damn the hypocrisy.


     
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    Notice he never responded.
     
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    Yep. What you think Mike....I think Israel needs to tear down their border walls and let in a bunch of illegals. When Orange Man Bad wants a wall built on our borders, he's racist....and anyone who supports a wall is racist.

    Obviously the Jewish State is racist as hell. Or can a jew just play the anti-semite card and wiggle out of the hypocrisy? Probably. Slamming the 'report' button no doubt.
     
  9. Thingamabob

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    Not true. Check my post back at #145. But don't blame me, it was the guy lying next to you who made me do it.

    I noticed ..... and the answer is "no".
     
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    Well if liberal values were applied consistently, Israel's policies towards immigration and refugees would be called just as racist as Trump's. To be fair, the woke progressives hate Israel for a lot of reasons including, but not limited to borders and refugees.

    But my point was that "symbols of hate" depend on your perspective. The Israeli flag probably evokes different responses if you're a West Bank settler as opposed to being an unemployed Palestinian in Gaza.

    As far as Israel goes, for myself, I support Israel (in general if not the particulars) because Israel is a modern, western state that works, and the Palestinians are savages who would never be able to create a working modern state; it would be just one tyranny after another, like most of the rest of the middle east.
     
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    The real issue concerned the federal government dictating to the states.
     
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    I saw it and that's not the CSA Flag. That is General Lee's battle flag.

    So true as stands. The CSA Flag is my avatar.
     
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    It could not have been as many as the liberals claim. IIRC, the most slaveholders from a single state was 37 percent. The dishonesty from the left is that if you were related to a slave holding family, then you were the equivalent to a slave holder in the liberals view. In my opinion, the real reasons for that war are too complex for the average lib with a limited education to understand.
     
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    General Stuart didn't talk to the whole crew, did he? Just to his descendant.
     
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    If memory serves, that's correct.
     
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    That's what I told the guy lying next to you ... but he wouldn't listen.
     
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    Sort of like the "one drop of blood" rule ain't it.

    That ought to be everyone's opinion and (in fact) if you take a look at the results of the poll you will see that the majority agree with you in one form or another.
     
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    Dude, you gave me three separate issues to respond to. This normally requires a lengthy response.

    I won't try to reinvent the wheel. Here is the truth about the flags:

    http://www.mshistorynow.mdah.ms.gov/articles/107/history-of-the-confederate-flags

    Now, I'll put the balance of your post in a context that, maybe, you can understand by way on an analogy:

    There are two separate and distinct issues when you say support of slavery and support of "White Supremacy" (sic). If you look at the current immigration debacle in America, you have all these people chanting a mantra about so - called "illegal aliens." The political context is that the battle is over some question of legality. Then, in the grand scheme of things, most of what the anti-immigrants are after cannot be sustained in a court of law. Still, there is growing concern over the massive immigration. So, the issue was not about the law, but about the flooding of America with immigrants.

    It was the same deal with the War of Northern Aggression (aka the Civil War). The political excuse was built on the issue of slavery, but the ground pounders had a totally different perception of why they were there. Even to the present day, the resistance you face doesn't have squat to do with a flag, slavery or even White Supremacy. The real NO B.S. issue is about respecting the Rights, the culture, the history, and the honor of a people. For the left, the issue is about the power of control. The left wants to erase our history; outlaw everything down to the thoughts we think in our head. The people defending the Confederate flag today are not White Supremacists (and even the meaning of that term has changed over the years.) Those defending the Confederate flag, on the whole, don't fit your definitions of racists (as it's being defined on this board.) It is an issue of respecting your fellow American, their heritage, and culture.

    If you ride down the Interstate in the state I live in, you pass massive warehouses and big corporations owned by foreign corporations. Some are owned by Chinese. They fly their Chinese flag over the business and the American people are oblivious as to what flag that is. Communist flags fly over those buildings. I worked for a couple of Japanese companies during my working career. They would fly Japanese flags over their business. The Japanese - the people we defeated in WWII, but not before they captured and illegally tortured American soldiers. We won the war, shook hands, even helped them rebuild and never once demanded that they change their flags, their culture and we've never forced them to erase their history - even when they are on U.S. soil!
     
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    From our inception, the stars and stripes flew over everything, including slavery. Later on, the confederate flag flew over secession, mainly because of economics involving slavery. To me, it was akin to the dissolution of a gang of part time bank robbers, where the lesser parties were left holding the bag. I think that what is lost in the defense of secession is that the subjugating of ones fellow man (slavery)is purely detestable. And to relegate it to mere economics adds arrogant insult to the severest of injury. At any rate, there is no moral high ground to either flag, to the rebel flag or to old glory. Secession is not treason. It is to separate, not to betray. In the end, war ensued and the union prevailed. And the despicable blight of slavery and subjugating ones fellow man was abolished forever in America. In so doing, our founding documents proclaiming the equal natures of man were revisited. Next came the quest for true equal rights, a hundred year or so struggle over which the stars and stripes continued to fly. I am proud of our country, for what it has overcome and endured. To my measure, pettiness and fault aside, it is majestic, a quest for dignity and godliness.
     
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    They fought for the right to own Black people.
    A major reason for civil war was for the right to own Black people.
    The Confederate flag represents the south and their war against the USA for the right to own Black people.
     
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    Southern history is owning black people. And the war they started against the USA so they could own Black people.
    The Confederate flag represents that.

    If scum is A term you want to use. Slavery is one such a thing.
     
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    Bullsh*t. Typical dim bs.
     
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    The Stars and stripes also represent the side fighting to abolish slavery.
    We didn't live up to our own Constitution originally.
     
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    Not BS. The south started a war so they could continue to own Black people. The secessonist documents of every traitor state claims slavery as a reason. It's all documented history.

    Are you not aware of history?

    You really didn't put together any argument.
     
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    Perhaps hating everyone equally is not a bad idea....that way there is no room for prejudices.
    It seems to be prejudices that cause the problems.
    To say that yourself or another group is somehow better or worse than the rest just stirs the pot...
    and is not so different than what "the hated ones" are believing.
     

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