Lies in Progressive Ideology

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    Progressive ideology is based in collectivism & elitist rule. It began around the turn of the last century, had a bit of a hiatus during WW2, when the battle against a 'strain' of progressive ideology was happening, & the cold war against Russian Communism (another strain of progressivism). But since the 1960's, progressive ideology has run rampant, & now controls all of the institutions in America.

    There are basic assumptions in progressive ideology, that are diligently indoctrinated into the citizens, but they are based on lies & propaganda.

    • Wealth is Declared. This is one of the most basic concepts of human survival. Everything necessary for survival must be worked for by somebody. Humans need 2 basic things to survive: Sustenance & Protection. Sustenance is food, water, air. Protection is clothing, housing, justice, & defense from aggressors. All of those things must be worked for to acquire. None of them are free for the picking, but are the end result of intelligent labor. The progressive world view has turned these necessities, for which animals & humans have had to work & struggle for millennia, into rights. They are entitlement commodities, that are due each person at birth. To accomplish that, they only need to print money to buy these commodities. Wealth is not created by an industrious citizenry, with a strong work ethic, but by govt mandate. Money is conflated with wealth, & no concept of labor is included.
    • There is no God. Science has proved naturalistic origins of the universe. This is perhaps the core belief in progressive ideology, even if it is seldom stated plainly. But it is the underlying assumption in almost every tenet of the ideology. Moral relativism, elitism, social engineering, & other collectivist values are based in this central departure from the American, Enlightenment concepts of Human Equality, Natural Rights, & the view of man as a sovereign moral agent, created by God. But it is a lie. It is a bluff, from those who distort science, & blur the lines between empirical truth & philosophical ideology.
    • Govt is the Answer. It does not matter the question or the problem, for progressives, the answer is always the same: More & Bigger Govt. They are consumed by the Great Fiction, that govt can enable everyone to live off of everybody else. But it is a lie. Govt has ALWAYS been the problem, for humans. Unscrupulous scoundrels are always drawn to the magnet of power & privilege, & the prospect of riches without working. Working people trying to raise a family & survive in this world have ALWAYS had to contend with the demands & manipulations of some kind of collective organization. The American Experiment was an attempt to control this Monster, but it has gotten loose, & is devouring the working people of America as well. Self rule is a dying concept, & rule by Elites is once again heralded as the Solution for society. But that is just the same old lie that they have pitched for thousands of years.
    America as an ideology is over.. nearly a distant memory. There is a dwindling minority who remember & embrace the Concepts of America. It is a revised history narrative, distorted to promote a caricature of the values of the Enlightenment & Natural Law. For decades, now, progressive ideology has become the status quo for all of our institutions, with the above lies providing the basis for thoughts, words, & actions. It is the Status Quo world view, & i don't know of anything that can stop it, short of revolution or total collapse. But it is the ideology that is fundamentally changing America, & is eroding the foundations of self rule, freedom, & opportunity. Progressive ideology is destroying the only successful experiment in self rule, in the history of humanity.
     
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    I posted this 4 years ago, and it needs updating.

    Identify politics has been a growing lie, that Progressivism has added to the mix. And closely related to that, is race obsession, and the lucrative business of racial grievance.

    "America is a racist nation!!"

    ..is the lie. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    The accusation of 'Racism!!', is a club, to beat opponents with. There does not have to be any facts, or due process, for this accusation, just the presumption of guilt.

    Racism is a real thing, not just a pejorative smear to demean your enemies. It is an evil in humanity, sourced in the belief that skin color is an indicator of inherent superiority or inferiority. That is scientifically false. There is only one species of human beings, and the melanin content of skin does not make one more or less, human.

    But to throw out accusations of 'Racism!', for any perceived grievance must be PROVED, as a fact, not just assumed by the accusers.

    Edited videos, to promote a narrative, are much more of an evil in humanity that the evil they accuse. They are set ups, to frame a narrative, to drive identity segments in America, a divisive tactic at its root, to insurrection.

    I urge my fellow Americans to not be deceived by these anti American, anti human, race baiting manipulators. You are being used, to promote a marxist, anti-christian, anti-human agenda. The Indoctrination for DECADES, has instilled in you a belief in a lie. America is the only ideological system that promotes equality, freedom, and self rule. Don't let these collectivist revolutionaries delude you into thinking their marxist utopias will improve your lot. They will not. They will only lead you back to slavery, and use you as a pawn for their revolutionary agenda.

    E PLURIBUS UNUM..

    Out of many, one.

    This is the American motto. Together, we can follow the lofty concepts outlined in the constitution and the declaration of independence:

    Freedom.
    Equality under the Law.
    Due process.
    Established facts and evidence.
    Presumption of Innocence.
    Justice.
    Citizen representatives.

    These are in sharp contrast to the progressive tactics and agenda:

    Mob rule.
    Guilt by accusation.
    Vigilante violence.
    Lies.
    Manipulation.
    Racial grievance for money.
    Destruction of property.
    Elitist rule.
    Hatred of order, morality, God, and imaginary enemies.
    Elitism.
    Division.

    We are at a crossroads. Freedom is not free, and every generation must choose. Will we defend the ideals of the American Experiment, or destroy it for some collectivist fantasy?

    1. Recognize the real enemy. Progressivism is anti-American, anti-science, anti-God, and anti-human. It is a deadly poison for freedom.
    2. Stand up for the principles that America was founded upon, and see through the constant barrage of lies and anti-American propaganda that the progressive institutions blast at us constantly.
    3. Vote for freedom.
    4. Boycott anti-human corporations that are complicit in the destruction of America.
    5. Resist the juggernaut of Progressivism, that has infected all of our institutions.

    The choices before us are painfully obvious:
    • Destroy America for some collectivist fantasy.
    • Defend America for future generations.
    Which will you choose?
     
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    Add to that the Marxist lie that money is the great corruptor when in fact power seeking us a far greater evil.
     
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    there is nothing "progressive" about progressivism except stupidity.
     
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    Very cogently stated.

    One minor correction of your statement that 'there is no God is seldom stated plainly': from the Communist Manifesto, "Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, "
     
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    Super! Two excellent posts in a row!
     
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    ..with only 4 years between them! ;)
     
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    Where is the brilliant progressive rebuttal? Crickets.
     
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    They are too busy promoting phony narratives, and have no time for Reason. The progressive agenda does not stand up to rational scrutiny, anyway. Violence, censorship, lies, and bullying are their preferred tactics, not facts or reason.
     
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    ..regarding 'Sins!!' of cultures, nations, or eras.. i am reminded of a quote from a famous Person, who said,

    "Let he that is without sin, cast the first stone.."

    What culture, race, ethnicity, or people group has NOT committed human atrocities? Who can stand in righteous indignation and claim THEIR heritage is unstained by the common foibles of humanity?

    No, we are all human, and are collectively stained by the sins of our fathers, and our own.

    'Reparations!', are absurd.. who deserves anything, for the injustices of the past?

    Either everyone's lives matter, or nobody does. The race baiting, anti white bigotry expressed by progressives is just to manipulate people into supporting marxist revolution.
     
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    It is about power and control so it is a very popular form of stupidity. Capitalism and democracy afford people too much freedom so the progressives feel the need to destroy them in favor of power and control.
     
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    Nah! It just needs a toilet to flush it down. It was crap four years ago, and it's crap today.
     
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    what a lame thread.

    booooooring.
     
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    It’s comedy gold.
     
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    Ah! There they are! :D

    "Brilliant Progressive Rebuttal defines them very well! ;)

     
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    Identity politics really took hold during the Obama presidency. Ever since then it has become increasingly popular to smear whites or males at any level of society. News anchors, politicians, athletes, celebrities all feel comfortable shaming whites on a national stage. Racism has been a focal point of the public political debate since then and it's getting nastier as the days go forward. When I grew up in the 90s it was the war on Christianity. Every year leading to the turn of the millennium I saw it become more and more common to suppress and even mock Christianity in any public event, most notably in schools and colleges. Progressives needed this so they could have the progressive ideology take the place of Christianity. Humans instinctively want to be a part of a cause that is bigger than themselves that also gives them moral guidance. That's what the progressive mindset is for many of these radicals. Their new religion is progressivism and the God of that religion is the government and the "science" community are the apostles.
     
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    This is why they become violent whenever people confront them. They can't actually debate their ideology it requires unquestioned conformity. Now that Trump is in office it's even easier for them because now all they think they have to say is "but Trump". As if that justifies the stupidity they can't explain away.
     
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    Godless heathens.

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    Mental masturbation doesn't beg for a reply. I'm down discussing various political/social/economic ideologies, but pretending the extreme is the reality is where I head out. The crickets are leaving too.
     
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    Exactly. Case in point: California.

    The most communist state in the nation, by far. Also, the 5th largest economy in the world. Such destruction. Such communism.
     
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    Yeah, the ultra liberal cites in Cali are complete fecesholes. Literally.
     
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    The middle class is fleeing California. The only people left are the ultra rich and the homeless. Sounds like a great place....
     
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    Riiight. That's what makes them the 5th largest economy in the world: homeless people. And communism, of course. Damn ultra rich communists. With all that money they have, you would think communism would be more popular.
     
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    And it's on fire because stupid people do stupid ****, like shoot of fire works in the woods during the dry season. You damn near need waders and two cans of disinfectant to walk down the side walks, mean while for the last six decades we, the taxpayers have been under writing the ability of the spoiled Ca. rich to build homes on once and future landslides.
     
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    So what if it's the "5th largest economy in the world"? Their homeless line their streets and the median price of a single family home is at $615,000. That sounds like your average communist utopia. I'm glad the ultra rich get to enjoy the 5th largest economy in the world. I'm sure you could move into one of their notorious homeless tent cities for much cheaper though. You could look up at the orange sky and marvel at what a great place it is lol.
     
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