So when Trump wins the popular vote on election day, but then Biden wins ...

Political and statistical folly. Were there a single national popular vote the voting patterns and results would be entirely different as would be the campaigning for that vote.

 

You've seen this before, so you know I understand how we elect Presidents...

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/so-when-trump-wins-the-popular-vote-on-election-day-but-then-biden-wins.577905/page-10#post-1072053213

So sorry you don't like it.

 

Uh huh.

 

Electors vote, not states.

 

Hate to break it to you but there is a popular vote. It is NOT the criteria by which the election is decided, but it exists nonetheless, and can be won or lost

 

With no relevance whatsoever.

 

Hate to break it to you but unless you live in my state we have never voted in the same election and you have never voted in a national election of any kind. Tallying 51 different and separate elections is not a national popular vote.

 

They vote as representatives of States and their votes are report as for the State, how the State votes. Civics 101. You do know there is no constitutional requirement you be allowed to even vote for the electors of your state. You did know that before I told you right?

 

You just claimed that the States do not elect the President, no you don't know how Presidents are elected.

 

We have a national popular vote that the total of state popular votes.

 

Like I said, electors vote, not states.

What I told you.

 

Electors elect the President in a national vote of electors.

 

Such is your opinion, and welcomed you are to it. It has relevance to some people, and none to others.

 

It has meaning to the people desperate to convince themselves that their candidate won.
This speaks for itself.

 

Electors elect the President, not states.

 

The elections we participate in ultimately decide the president and vice president.of the US. When we cast that vote, yes, we are in actuality voting for an Elector to the EC. However, when you look at your ballot, it doesn't say Joe Elector, leaning towards Biden. It says Biden. You vote for the candidate you wish for and hope your Elector remains faithful.

Because of how the votes are tallied and accumulated, we can determine what the popular vote is for voting district, state and nation, in addition to determining the Electors who end up making the actual decision. It exists. There is no two ways about it. It's not used currently to determine the President and Vice President, but it could be. It would take an amendment, but it could be.

 

I find it to.have meaning beyond who I want to win. Actually, in 2016, I knew regardless of who won, we'd all lose. But it also holds historical significance. I'll have to find it again, but one thread I did somewhere, I showed all the times that a candidate won the election while losing the popular vote. In fact one election, there was no clear majority and Congress has to make the final decision. I didn't want Hillary to win, but I find significance in her having won the popular vote.

 

They don't just haul off and vote, they cast the ballot for the State. You're splitting hairs trying to further a weak argument.

 

Is the fact she had more votes than Trump more or less significant than the fact she did not have a majority?
Why/why not?

Yes. This is called "trivia".

 

Yes I vote for a slate of PARTY electors who then represent the STATE in the Electoral College where my STATE votes for President and VP. And we do not vote in one big national popular vote and voting patterns do not reflect one big national popular vote. Yes you can determine what the popular vote for those electors in that state was and that is all. In 2016 I wrote in because I didn't support either candidate. But then Trump was going to win anyway. Had it been close I would have voted for Trump. Had it been a national popular vote I would have voted for Trump. I am not alone in that. Voting patterns and results would be totally different. Adding up all those 51 unique and separate elections and then proclaiming that is the exact outcome that would have occurred had their been campaigns for a national popular vote and we all voted in one is political and statistical folly.

 

She only did so in 21 of the elections that were held, Trump won in 30 so he won a majority in a majority of the popular voteS that took place. That all you can say about who won what.

 

Voting on behalf of their states and that is how the votes are recorded BY STATE. How many times does this have to be explained to you? Civics 101.

 

There is no way in hell Trump is going to win the popular vote. Too many heavily populated blue states. I haven't seen a Trump ad here in NY state in months. I imagine the same is true in California.

 

Typically, the cast their vote for the winner of the popular vote. There are state laws in some states requiring the elector to vote for whom they said they would vote.

It is what it is.

We have an indirect vote for President. Trump's shenanigans could well put us in a political crisis depending upon what happens in one or more individual states.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

 

Are you trying to claim that you know exactly who the elector(s) you are voting for are, AND that you are ensured that they will vote as you wish, should they receive the majority vote in your state? Or do you look at who the candidate is, and vote accordingly, know how the mechanics of the system works? And what of the vast majority of Americans? Do you really think that they are voting for electors, or are they voting for a candidate regardless of how the process actually works.

Where have I claimed such? Take your strawman elsewhere. At best I claimed that it could be made to be so, not that it is.

And that is a number that is significant to a great many people, because those numbers represent which candidate they voted for, even if the elector ends up voting unfaithfully. If an elector is voted in based on being for Biden, but then votes for Trump, we still know that they voters had ticked the Biden box.

And I voted for Johnson for the same reason.

Guess that is where we are different. I vote for who I think will be the best choice. Doesn't matter if it is EC or popular vote.

Maybe, maybe not. Feel free to show me evidence of this assertion.

The only thing being proclaimed is that there are X number of people in the US and Y candidate got the most of those votes. Regardless of what the system does with said vote, by and large people are voting for a candidate, and have no clue about who the elector is. They don't think about the elector, they don't care about the elector. The popular vote is a snapshot of the american mindset at that time.