Proud Boys, Black Lives Matter leaders hold joint conference: We 'denounce White supremacy'

Facts are facts. You're welcome to your opinion of course. Doesn't mean your opinion is valid.

Lots of people are dumb. Doesn't matter their nationality. But even dumb people are smart when they know the facts when compared to those espousing opinions not based on facts.

 

Just more proof the MSM are destroying the country. Add it to the pile of lies and misinformation. Trump has been right. FAKE news media is the enemy of the people. Sometimes Right is right.

 

That's little different from what they were doing in the late 1800s.

Well, they were more violent back then. But give these guys a chance, I'm sure there's a Tim McVeigh in there somewhere.

 

That's definitely a warped view of history!

 

Whoever made that meme obviously doesn't know what a nazi is, and from their disdain for constitutional rights and love of hyperbole, is obviously a liberal.

 

Proud Boys Canadian founder Gavin McInnes who lives in New York state is only in the USA on a Green Card, was among those outside Walter Reid today trying to greet our president ???

 

Speech can be and often IS violence. Speech that threatens or calls for harm is indeed violence It's called assault and is illegal, (actually causing harm is battery.) "Peacefully" holding a rally to espouse violence against others is no less a legitimate cause for violence than would be actually doing them physical harm. If you're going to advocate killing people just for them being who they are you have to expect those people are going to object.

Being a nationalist DOES mean you are a fascist, to an extent. Read Mussolini concerning what Fascism IS since you have quite obviously not. Fascism is nationalism on steroids. Nationalism as manifested in patriotism is "fitting and proper" but Fascism, the idea that your own nation is better than all others and should supplant them everywhere by force, is one of the great evils of the modern world and should be treated as such.

Being proud of your culture is salutary. Condemning other cultures is not.

Not wanting peaceful immigrants in our country is about the most unAmerican concept I can think of. The whole idea of America is that we are a "nation of nations", a refuge for all those who seek liberty and flee oppression. More than almost any other characteristic this is the source of American uniqueness and strength. Why are you seeking to take away the major thing that has made us the most powerful, prosperous, and pleasant nation on this poor and suffering planet? Why are you trying to overthrow America?

 

I don't think most of those on the right are against peaceful immigration. People just do not like ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Come in the front door....not the back door.

 

Sayin' it don't make it so...

 

That's all great academic work, great theories. But as someone with many "redneck" family who are racist, I can alleviate all that work for you. I know exactly why white supremacists and mild racists are mentioning race war: it's the calls for revolution (and from the context, not a peaceful one) and "no justice, no peace" (which is a violent threat no matter how you look at it). These are what fires racists up; I've witnessed it several times in the last few months.

If Kenxi is concerned about violence, he should be talking about those who are threatening it, right now in our streets. People with large organizations, and lots of money...

 

Gavin has a show on CENSORED.TV. AIU and Soph are on there as well (and a bunch of others that I don't watch). You can subscribe for $10/month.

Here is the lineup:

 

Exactly....like I said...Anti Fa...

 

No. Speech is not violence. Violence is an act. Speech is nothing more than speech. And assault is a physical attack. If you think speech is a physical attack then you have lead a very sheltered life. And I have no problem people objecting to others saying that they should die. I'd join them in that objection. But in no way shape or form will I condone violence to stop speech. You can say the worst things imaginable, I will disagree with you, but I will still uphold your Right to say it.

Not even close to an extent. A nationalist is simply someone that prefers their country to any other. It has nothing to do with fascism. I am a nationalist and I in no way wish to have any other country act like ours as that is their decision. Not mine. Besides, such would be an impossible feat to accomplish. I sure as hell would not condone any sort of war for it. In fact I advocate, and have plenty of times, for bringing ALL of our troops home. I'm sick and tired of American Politicians using our troops to be the worlds police. And I don't care what Mussolini says. The guy was an admitted fascist so anything he says is suspect at best.

Its really hard to take anyone seriously when they speak out both sides of their mouths. Didn't you just insult American's as a whole? An insult is a condemnation you know. How many times have you condemned American's?

In any case, there is nothing wrong with condemning cultures that are toxic. Cultures that stone people simply because they are a woman and went out without a male family escort SHOULD be condemned. Cultures that condemn someone based on their sexuality SHOULD be condemned. You condemn things that are bad don't you? Shouldn't you? Don't you condemn white supremacists? That too is a culture you know. I condemn it. Don't you? Or are you going to continue to try and double down on what you just said? Some how... I doubt it. At least not in keeping with the meaning of what you just said. I'm sure you'll make some sort of excuse and spin.

The vast majority of people in the US, left or right leaning, have no problem with peaceful immigrants coming here legally. But even at the founding of this country there has been laws against entering the country illegally. We have ALWAYS welcomed legal immigration and been against ILLEGAL immigration. The very first immigration law in fact was enacted in 1790. Just 3 years after the Constitution was signed.

And no, we are not a "nation of nations". We are a nation of immigrants. More precisely...LEGAL immigrants. No one is trying to take away what made us the most prosperous nation. In fact we wish to maintain it. In order to do so then we must continue to enforce our laws.

Btw...appeal to emotion: Denied.

 

So conservatives are "Fa"? I don't think you know what "Fa" stands for.

 

Neither one are. You just can’t help but label those who don’t agree with you as racist. It’s a liberal reflex.

 

Maybe, I dunno. I've yet to meet an ultraconservative who didn't want to make most all immigration illegal.

And you do? Please tell us what Fascism is

 

ive never met a conservative who wanted to make immigration illegal. We just want it done properly.

 

It sounds phoney but there could be other reasons

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/2/enrique-tarrio-proud-boys-chairman-mounts-republic/

 

I am not convinced that this is genuine.

Here is their website. There is no mention of this meeting. Instead on what looks like the last post on 30th September say

https://blacklivesmatter.com/statem...to-trumps-stand-back-stand-by-debate-comment/

They clearly believe that the Proud Boys are white supremacists then, 30th September. They are not going to change their minds that quick. I suspect this is some kind of a set up to be used as Enrique Tarrio tries to get into Congress.

 

All decent people condemn cultures of slavery and racism. They condemn the cultures that conducted human sacrifice. It is correct to condemn cultures that relegate women to chattel status. Defending such cultures out of some sense of being nice is absurd.

 

Mussolini was indeed a moral reprobate, so was Hitler, but Hitler knew what Naziism was, and Mussolini knew what fascism was

"for the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value, outside the State." Benito Mussolini

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

Thus I say that Fascism is nationalism on steroids. You are a nationalist whose nationalism manifests in your being a patriot. No problem there.

Where did I insult Americans?

Cultures, like people can do evil things, but it is never proper to condemn people for anything other than actions they do themselves or are you one of those who condemns all Muslims for the atrocities of ISIS or the Germans for the Nazis?

All arguments are appeals to emotion. All values are emotions and arguments are where we come up with logical reasons for them. Logic, after all, is nothing but a little red bicycle

(Is everyone here bloody Spock or what? You people need to watch the later programs, T'Pol in particular could be a very emotional Vulcan, something which was explained quite logically)

 

More like liberalism is fascism on steroids. Nationalism is for freedom, liberalism is for more government control and are the ones acting like fascists.

 

Facts ain't theories.

Since you want to get into it... it has a lot to do with status. Some people just need to put a knee on the neck, if ya know what all I mean?

The other thing is culture. The fear of rebellion among slave owners was bone deep, and burned itself into the culture. Hell, at this point you could say it's the soul of Southern culture, which regrettably didn't stay in the South.

Let's take a look at Obama... he was cautious, professorial. No rebelling there, so why the hell did he drive racists nuts?

They didn't like seeing a Black with status and power over them.

The levels of denial I am seeing is simply astonishing. I had a Prof that got her phd at the U of Va. on racism and slavery. That was also astonishing. She liked to say she taught in Maine because Southerners really did not want to face their history, or their reality.

 

Not true... there are dozens and dozens of GOP members who are not racists...

Maybe even triple digits nationally...

Here's one I don't completely dislike... Provide more of him if you want to have a party in 2024....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kinzinger