Excess Deaths

Crime is closely related to poverty rather than the number of cops.

When the economy boomed under Clinton in the 1990's the crime rate plummeted because everyone who wanted one was able to find jobs and most of those jobs still provided benefits like healthcare and paid vacations.

We have more than enough hard FACTUAL evidence that wearing masks, social distancing and hygiene measures like handwashing REDUCE the spread of the virus while attendance at religious gatherings and rallies indoors INCREASE the spread of the virus.

So we CAN conclude that the spread of the virus is DIRECTLY related to the behavior of people and those that REFUSE to behave in a sane and reasonable manner are the PRIMARY cause of the spread of the virus.

 

We are headed off-topic here, but you brought it up and I just have to ask, if the crime rate was so low because of President Clinton, then why did we need Biden’s racist 1994 crime bill?

 

The Boomers are reaching their Sell By dates which is why there has been a steady increase in mortality rates but that is NORMAL and taken into account by Actuaries who deal in these numbers.

What is ABNORMAL is the SURGE in deaths CAUSED by the Covid-19 virus.

Since it caused the EARLY DEMISE of many of these Boomers there will be a slight downturn in the mortality rates AFTER the Pandemic has ENDED.

It helps to have Subject Matter Knowledge of Mortality Rates BEFORE just cherry picking numbers and erroneously ASSUMING that you understand what they actually represent.

 

The ACTUAL number is 225,000 MORE deaths in LESS than a year for those of us who prefer REALITY rather than Lalaland Conspiracy drivel.

 

For those of us who actually LIVED and WORKED during that period Clinton INHERITED a RECESSION from Bush sr and that was the CAUSE of the POVERTY that resulted in higher crime rates initially. Once the economy started booming under Clinton and people had jobs those crime rates dropped dramatically.

https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/

 

The CDC is “LaLaland Conspiracy Drivel” now?

Okay, I apologize if I haven’t been keeping up with the left’s phantom COVID death toll lately. 6% of 225,000 = 13,500 unfortunate people that died from COVID-19 according to the CDC’s figures.

 

Yes, but what about Biden’s racist 1994 crime bill?

 

Yep, I was wondering why this same bogus concept was being promoted in another thread. Both posters made it look like it was their own conclusion but clearly were promoting the same conspiracy that used false data

 

Rubbish. You didn't ask how your data or calculations could be in error, you apparently didn't even consider that possibility. Your question clearly implied that there are no excess deaths and presented that as a challenge to anyone who says there are.

Lets not just "say". Given your record on data and statistics here, you need to be very clear on the actual figures you're using if you want to ask policy questions on the back of that data.

It isn't anything like as simple a question. There are all sorts of different measures governments, business and individuals can take in response to the virus with all sorts of inter-related consequences from them. Obviously nobody wants to destroy economies or individual welfare but nobody wants to cause deaths either. Finding a viable route between those risks is a difficult (arguably impossible) one. I don't pretend to have the answer. Do you?

 

If you follow the Trumpsters & their fellow travellers for even a short while you see this again & again. Talking points reguritated from other places. Some of them are at least prepared to let us know it wasn't their own thoghts. Others just pass it off as insight rather than reguritation.

Funny thing is that they are the ones who go on about 'sheeple', yet if they ever had an original insight it would die of loneliness.

 

Your callous DISTORTION of the facts is a de facto insult to all of those who will be dealing with the LOSS of 225.000+ loved ones this Thanksgiving.

Sad!

 

I am simply citing the CDC, pal. If you want to make the claim that their own numbers are distorted, then I suggest that you take it up with the CDC. Going by their own 6% TotalCovid ruling though, COVID-19 appears to be no more dangerous than the swine flu.

 

CDC numbers are fine. Your understanding of them is not....or you are deliberately distorting them. Same effect in practice. Simply repeating the same untruths won't make them any more true.

 

How do you distort their 6% figure? It was written in plain English. All I see is you lefties trying to spin it away from what the CDC had actually said about it.

 

You only need to read from left to right.
But that’s not what the CDC information says.

In weekly updates provided on the CDC’s website, the agency includes information on additional conditions present in patients who died with COVID-19. These other illnesses or conditions found to be present in a patient are called comorbidities. The agency also includes a chart detailing the number of patients with each additional condition.

For the week referenced in the claim, the CDC explained that the chart “shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

That means that 6% of those who died with COVID-19 through Aug. 15 didn’t have any other reported conditions.

 

You are the one distorting the 6% figure because you don't understand what it means.

It means:

6% of people who died of COVID-19 had no comorbidities.
94% of people who died of COVID-19 did have comorbidities.
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100% people who died of COVID-19
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Wrong!

You are disingenuously MISREPRESENTING the CDC data for PARTISAN political purposes.

Sad!

 

It really is very easy. We have even had a medical professional on SP carefully explain what 'co-morbidities' are, how & why they are put on death certificates and why those death certificates are correct. However, people who want to avoid the truth will always find a way. Of course, some people simply lack the intelligence to understand even relatively straightforward concepts such as that. They should be pitied.

 

Perhaps he would have greater success understanding it if it was in his native Cyrillic.

 

No it is not really the same.
It was a time period when COVID-19 hysteria had started and monetary incentives were established for reporting COVID-19 cases
And the graph clearly shows no seasonal spike in January 2020
The graph appears to be skewed, it looks like that they did not count cases at the beginning of year at all and then eagerly started counting them in March.

 

We're not talking about "hysteria". The CDC doesn't measure that.

We're talking about deaths. Excess deaths during a pandemic. That means you make calculations for that TIME period.People were not dying in any kind of numbers in January and February or even the first part of March.

Including those months is an attempt to skew the numbers.Dishonestly

 

First of all, this graph does not show last 30 years of data (i.e. something that is statistically significant).
The graph does show however that number of deaths was much lower in January then in previous years.
That alone make graph very suspicious.

 

Which shows that if not for the virus the US would have had less deaths than normal so your point is highlighting how serious this virus is

 

To me it looks like they did not count number properly in January and then started eagerly counting them in March retrospectively, when financial incentives for reporting COVID-19 have been established.

 

It's not hard to count dead bodies