We're already seeing signs of unintended side effects and dangers from the vaccine

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If so do you even need the vaccine?
     
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    That is a a question that is not in my pay scale..
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would suggest you could read a little bit on what a pharmacist is and does!

    Pharmacists cannot prescribe anything, they are not medical doctors, they fill bottles, if something goes wrong all they can do is provide first aid.

    Or drop to the floor and die waiting for EMS to arrive..
     
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    Which pharmacists do not have on hand.
     
  5. fiddlerdave

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    Because we do not know if having this disease is a reliable measure of protection, and so, how long will protection last.

    Given that may take years to determine, getting the the vaccine as well is the most reliable case.

    In a year or 2, if having the disease provides a reliable immune response, then the vaccine can be reliably skipped.
     
  6. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow, do skeptics and anti-vaxers think pharmacists just fell off the turnip truck?

    Uh, yes, they do have supplies on hand, many of which they sell, too. Along with their required knowledge from their years of very intense education.
     
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    I am in the higher risk group, have asthma and I caught it a couple of months back, it was the first time I have been sick in two decades, slight fever and feeling worn out for a few days and then it went away.

    No long lasting effects and I believe the HVAC system in my home which has germicidal UV lighting and electrostatic filtering, prevented me from giving it to my wife.
     
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    Hey I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I'm opposed to being injected with anylightly vetted medications, for now I will pass on taking one and sit back and watch what happens to people who do take it.
     
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    I think quiet a few people just see a pharmacy from the counter. Never talked to the people who work there.
    Sales clerks.
    Pill counters.
    My doc used to give me my 5 year shot against Tetanus just like that.
    He retired.
    Had to go to Safe Way.
    5 minutes interview, than the shot and than wait for 30 minutes.
    I asked why, never had that before, allergic reactions, I was told.

    Gave me confidence in those folks.
    There was my shot, a allergy shot and a mask for oxygen.
    Since I am very observant and don't mind asking stupid question the pharmacist explained everything to me.
    I always ask my veterinary, why this and that, so I learn and be better at my job running a farm and can do most of the simple things my self.

    Those folks at the pharmacy are serious professionals, with many years of education and training and retraining, to keep their license.

    They probably know more about meds and vaccines, than anybody else in the medical profession.
     
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    You can not give allergies to anybody.
    Its the chemistry of your body.
    It changes over live and that is what causes allergies.
     
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    Where did I state that was possible?

    Yea so, what's you point?

    No kidding, what an amazing revelation.
     
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    This makes me think of a friend had been very poor because of work problems because of health problems.

    Suddenly, just after 63 and a half yo, an unknown relative left her a 7 figure inheritance.

    She had a limited program for health care and was careful, although she did without some good health care options because of lack of money.

    She said she was looking for health insurance to cover until the good Medicare options. After the months went by, she still was saying she was trying to get around to ginding the best insurance, but I was become more and more that she get insurance NOW, because she now has something to lose! A heart or kidney problem with no insurance could wipe out her inheritance in in a matter of days, and none of the programs she has depending on would not help anymore. I gave her an insurance company and plan she could get the same day for fantastic insurance for a $2000 per month, a pittance in comparison to her new wealth, but she just wanted to "the right and best plan". Of course, she got to 65 and got the good plans of available for 65 yo (a few hundred bucks per month) without having a health crisis, but it felt sad she, a pretty conservative person, would gamble with everything for getting around to a "good plan" to avoid may making a mistake for a tiny amount of cost.

    I feel the same about the idea of avoiding the demonstratable small risk of getting the vaccine to "see what happens". Certainly there are possible risks (like the 37000 to one of a allergic reaction the itself is a further very small risk) but COVID has a lot of dead people and lots more with heart disease (have it), kidney failure, strokes (had it), and dozens more of problems occuring to all ages and health conditions, good as well as bad.

    Its not worth the risk for 30 minutes of time and a personal free cost.
     
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    Please read your post again, prevented it to give it to my wife, what did you get, Corona ?

    How do you know.
    Got tested.
    show me the test results.
    Scan it in and post it, otherwise BS.
     
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    Do you lack comprehension skills?

    Go screw yourself, I'm not posting personal information on line.
     
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    Last week, I worked all day with a friend and had lunch with him. I shook his hand at the end of the day and wished him a Merry Christmas. He went to the hospital later that evening for kidney stones and tested positive for covid. I tested positive for the antibodies 3 weeks ago and have been fine since working with my friend. My whole family had the disease back in July/Aug. I've had antibodies for 5 months now. Local blood banks give covid testing with a blood donation. Save a life and know for sure.

    On the vaccine. I don't see any benefit of taking the vaccine. I'll wait a long time to see if it's safe. I hope employers don't start demanding that we take the vaccine. I already have some customers demanding that we get all of the latest vaccines to work on their site. I avoid those.
     
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    False positive?
     
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    One poster says they don’t the other says they do
     
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    Nope. My whole family had it last Summer. My son tested positive and my wife spent 5 days in the hospital with it. I had the same symptoms as my son, but never tested positive because I was already quarantining with my son and tested negative by the time his quarantine was up and we both tested negative. I tested positive for the antibodies when I donated blood 4 months later.

    My friend could have had a false positive, but probably not after spending 3-4 nights in the covid ward at the hospital.
     
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    we should have banned penicillin, I had a relative that had an allergic reaction to it :( since he was allergic, no one should have got the benefits... right?

    yes, if your allergic to any of the ingredients, you should not take it, common sense, that doesn't mean the drug is bad

    so obviously he does not get a second dose...
     
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    It's a dead giveaway if your nurse looks like Milla Jovovich

    The Trumps got the first vaccines which turned them all into Zombies, but nobody noticed and then they reverted to normal when they couldn't find any Republicans around them with brains
     
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    Humans rather enjoy being guinea pigs, especially terrorized humans.

    I won't be taking the vaccine no matter what. The only good to come from this Scamdemic is that the rich have become more rich. That being "good" is simply a matter of perspective.
     
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    So let’s compare the rate of allergic reactions to:
    1. The normal rate of allergic reactions to the average vaccine.
    2. The rate of allergic reactions to the rate of covid immunization.

    This was we can actually see the effects of the vaccine. To say that doctors weren’t worried about allergic reactions and this is breaking news is disingenuous at best, and at worst propaganda to not vaccinate the country.
     
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    By regulation pharmacists cannot prescribe medications, therefore they cannot do anything above basic first aid.

    Look up the US regulations if you do not believe that.
     
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    don’t know if this is true for every state.
    “Community pharmacists commissioned to provide services where anaphylaxis treatment may be required, including, but not exclusive to, the flu vaccination service, should have an anaphylaxis pack in the pharmacy. This usually contains two ampoules of adrenaline 1:1000 (1mg/1mL), four 23G needles, four graduated 1mL syringes, and resuscitation masks suitable for children and adults. The Green Book states that auto-injectors for self-administration of adrenaline should not be used as a substitute for a proper anaphylaxis pack[6]. Pharmacists must have the competency to draw up and administer adrenaline from ampoules with a syringe and needle; however, if only an adrenaline auto-injector is available, this should be used instead.”
    https://www.pharmaceutical-journal....s-management/20208166.article?firstPass=false

    disregard, wrong country.
     
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    Very true.
     
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