Why so many Americans believe there was an election fraud?

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  1. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait - there was. Just not on that large of a scale.

    As for why ppl think there was widespread fraud - its a contentioudnelextion with many many changes to voting procedures. It shouldn't be a surprise ppl are calling foul. Have people forgotten about how much attention was said to Russia after the last one? All the accusations that Russia and Trump were working together? Cmon
     
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    This is demonstrably false.

    Every single investigative body that has examined this, from trumps DHS, Trumps DOJ, Trumps Attorney General, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican governors, every single court this has been in front of, have shown you there was no fraud. What does that tell you?
     
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    they don't here either.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    I remember Johnson held a hearing. What happened there? I remember 60 court hearings. What about those? I remember several fake hearings. There was some drunk bimbo at one of those.

    Nope. You're about as wrong as one can be. Sorry bout that.
     
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    Why do you too I making **** up is an ax to al argument? This claim has been completely proven false.
     
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    The ONLY ELECTION FRAUD IS DIRTY DONALD who is on tape asking the Georgia Secretary of State to create votes for him. A TOTAL LOSER CHEAT SCUMBAG.
     
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    Well informed Democrats know that the DP rigs elections. That is just a well documented fact.

    “Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call. I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had ***rigged*** the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions…”
    POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

    Why bother to deny what everyone knows?
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    There has not been 1 (one) public hearing with due process into the integrity of the election. Surely you know that.

    Look up "due process" for more guidance.
     
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    Did Johnson's committee cross examine any election officials and election workers?
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Now you are "making **** up". The fact that the DP rigs elections has been well documented - especially on this thread.

    “Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call. I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had ***rigged*** the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions…”
    POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
     
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    This is demonstrably false.

    Every single investigative body that has examined this, from trumps DHS, Trumps DOJ, Trumps Attorney General, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican governors, every single court this has been in front of, have shown you there was no fraud. What does that tell you?
     
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    Why are you making **** up again?
     
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    LOL! Are you saying Politico made up the Donna Brazile article? ;-)

    How about this confession:

    "I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was ***rigging*** the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.

    The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity."
    POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

    This is how the DP rolls.
     
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    Why did you make **** up again after being called on it twice?
     
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    There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
     
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    Of course there is, we have Biden and Harris!
     
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    This election was not about Biden and Harris. It was about whether more people love or hate Trump. That question has been answered.
     
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    The article indicates that several upper echelon members of the DNC allowed the Clinton campaign to take over the DNC before the nominee had been chosen (taking it over after the nomination is normal). This implicates the individuals involved in the agree, not all Democrats. And it doesn't entail anything illegal, and doesn't entail election rigging - it entails inappropriate use of funds. The funds were inappropriately directed to the Clintob campaign, and this is what Brazile labelled "rigging". This bears no resemblance to the sort of rigging that is alleged by Trump supporters, which entails illegal actions associated with vote tabulation.

    So... you haven't shown it to be a "documented fact" that the DP rigs elections. If that is your premise, then your position is falsified.
     
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    Last I heard it was still being disputed
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not rocket science.
     
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    Neither is this.

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    Some people still dispute that the earth is round.
     
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    You seem to be operating on the presumption that courts are honorable and devoted to justice and the rule of law. Sadly that is a bad presumption, both in the US and elsewhere.

    It's not a new situation, unjust and compromised courts. In 1850 Congress passed the Fugitive Slave Act, which criminalized assisting a slave escape. Soon juries nullified that noxious piece of legislation by way of Jury Nullification, but before that happened SCOTUS declared it to be legitimate.

    So human courts have been wrong many times about many things.
     
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    They probably all voted for Biden too. Maybe where that early morning surge came from?
     
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    There is a plethora of evidence of voter fraud, and prima facie evidence of illegally run elections. Just because courts run and hide so they don't have to hear or rule on the evidence doesn't mean there is no evidence.

    How much fraud is required to make it "widespread?"
     
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