Why so many Americans believe there was an election fraud?

Huh?

Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/05/donna-brazile-rigged-democrats-clinton-sanders-244566

 

You are a danger to us all.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...es-for-the-dangerous-ramifications-of.583017/

 

Yeah, call the victim the perpetrator...... straight out of Alinsky.

 

Focus: The the Chair of the DNC has publicly admitted that the DP rigged its own primaries and nomination process.

"Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call."

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had ***rigged*** the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions from the moment I walked in the door of the DNC a month or so earlier, based on the leaked emails. But who knew if some of them might have been forged? I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie."

"It would be weeks before I would fully understand the ***financial shenanigans*** that were keeping the party on life support."

"By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my ***proof*** and it broke my heart."
POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

But then everyone knows that the DP rigs elections. Brazile's investigation just proved what was already known.

 

So, do you dispute that the DP is run by crooked politicians?

 

LOL! Rigging elections is still illegal in the US, and the DNC has admitted "shocking truth" publicly that the DNC rigged the DP primaries and nomination process for The Clintons.

"On the phone Gary told me the DNC had needed a $2 million loan, which the campaign had arranged.

“No! That can’t be true!” I said. “The party cannot take out a loan without the unanimous agreement of all of the officers.”

“Gary, [Gary Gensler, the chief financial officer of Hillary’s campaign] how did they do this without me knowing?” I asked. “I don’t know how Debbie relates to the officers,” Gary said. He described the party as fully under the control of Hillary’s campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp. The campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearinghouse. ***Under FEC law***, an individual can contribute a maximum of $2,700 directly to a presidential campaign. But the limits are much higher for contributions to state parties and a party’s national committee."
POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a ***shocking truth*** about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Brazile was 'shocked' to discover that the DP is run by crooks.

 

Huh? In fact, Brazile admits the obvious:

Read:

"I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was ***rigging*** the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.

The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity."
POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

 

I just don't understand why you continue making **** up after being called on it.

 

Objective reality must really be biting partisan Democrats hard now.
I feel your pain.

"Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the 32 states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC. The money would be deposited in the states first, and transferred to the DNC shortly after that. Money in the battleground states usually stayed in that state, but all the other states funneled that money directly to the DNC, which quickly transferred the money to Brooklyn.

“Wait,” I said. “That victory fund was supposed to be for whoever was the nominee, and the state party races. You’re telling me that Hillary has been controlling it since ***before*** she got the nomination?”
POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

The DNC is obviously just clandestine criminal enterprise created to rig elections.
Yet another reason why so many Democrats and Independents voted for Trump.

 

I just don't understand why you continue to make **** up after being called on it.

 

I really love it when they keep asking for more.

"It would be weeks before I would fully understand the financial shenanigans that were keeping the party on life support."

"I told Bernie I had found Hillary’s Joint Fundraising Agreement. I explained that the cancer was that she had exerted this control of the party long before she became its nominee. Had I known this, I never would have accepted the interim chair position, but here we were with only weeks before the election."
POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Political corruption and election rigging are a cancer on the republic.
The "Democratic Party" has become very anti-democratic.

 

I just don't understand why you continue to make **** up after being called on it.

 

Wrong. I am operating on the presumption that there is not better way to keep democracy than to trust courts where the judicial procedure is open to public. Can courts be corrupted or incompetent? Of course they can be, but I don't see any better way.
The main problem is that courts are run by people and people are far from perfect. Many people cannot think logically, many people are mean, vicious, selfish or both. But trusting courts IMHO is the best way to keep decency in the country.

 

No one trusts the criminal justice system and the courts in the US.
The justice system is a national disgrace that contributes to all the political unrest and violence in America.

"No Justice No Peace."

 

Blind DP partisans have embraced the cancer of political corruption and election fraud.

"I had to keep my promise to Bernie. I was in agony as I dialed him. Keeping this secret was against everything that I stood for, all that I valued as a woman and as a public servant.

“Hello, senator. I’ve completed my review of the DNC and I did find the cancer,” I said. “But I will not kill the patient.”
POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

And cancer will eventually kill its fan base.

 

I just don't understand why you continue to make **** up after being called on it.

 

Here is another dose of objective reality:

"This smells of the dawn of the same old. To quote the Who: meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

It should go without saying that someone who advised DuPont on how to avoid regulations is not someone we want advising this new administration."
THE GUARDIAN, Dear Joe Biden: are you kidding me?, The president-elect has tapped a former DuPont consultant to join his Environmental Protection Agency transition board, BY Erin Brockovich, Thu 19 Nov 2020.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich

Support election rigging is support for crooked politicians. The results will be very ugly.

 

I just don't understand why you continue to make **** up after being called on it.

 

well ... sort of ... even educated people don't trust other educated people ... depends on your university and major ... for an example, architects don't trust engineers and vice versa ... but the tradespeople don't trust any of us ... speaking from a high end construction background ...

sure there is, it's just worded differently ...

I doubt it was all procedural issues ... everyone would want to see some evidence before making a ruling in something this big ...

at this point, all the evidence has been hearsay ...

true ... Trump had his minions well briefed ... although said minions were still confident that the Messiah would win in a landslide ...

yes it is ...

I call BS on this ... we just aren't reading the latest the latest bile from Limbaugh and company or romance novels ...

they don't believe in fraud, they are just trying to woo Trump's base for the future ...

so the majority of the fraud was committed by fellow Republicans? ...

nothing at all ...

sources? ...

I don't ... I believe that most politicians regardless of party affiliation are crooked, although I would contain that remark to the DP and RP ... I have met some wondeful 3rd party candidates ...

 

For me still rocket science - why an adult can believe in suspicious information without checking it first? We are living in the age information where almost everything is a click away from us. So why not checking first before spreading "I BELIEVE IN...".
This is what I found:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ud-wisconsin-overnight-vote-spike/6167188002/
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-media-post-falsely-claims-wisconsin-found-1/
https://www.wisconsinwatch.org/2020/11/truth-about-election-misinformation-falsehoods-wisconsin/

So for my to understand you is true rocket science.

 

1. Review thread for ample proof that the DP rigs elections.
2. Yes, RP pols, like DP pols tend to be crooked.
3. 3rd party candidates are probably far less crooked than the party bosses who usually run.
4. Your criticism of Limbaugh and Trump seem rather frivolous.

Yes, our corrupt ruling political class is very bipartisan.

“[T]he running existential contradictions of D.C., a place where “authenticity and fantasy are close companions”, as the Washington Post’s Henry Allen once wrote. It misses that the city, far from being hopelessly divided, is in fact hopelessly interconnected. It misses the degree to which New Media has democratized the political conversation while accentuating Washington's insular, myopic, and self loving tendencies. It misses, most of all, a full examination of how Washington may not serve the country well but has, in fact, worked splendidly for Washington itself– A city of beautifully busy people constantly writing the story of their own lives.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 10.

 

Here is another objective reality check since you keep asking for them:

"McCabe started managing DuPont’s communications with the EPA about the toxic chemical in 2003, according to an article in the Intercept. This was the time in which DuPont faced a barrage of litigation after the company dumped 7,100 tons of PFOA-filled waste in West Virginia, which made its way into the drinking water of 100,000 people. Countless members of the community faced debilitating illnesses as a result. The legal battle with the company was turned into the film Dark Waters in 2019."
THE GUARDIAN, Dear Joe Biden: are you kidding me?, The president-elect has tapped a former DuPont consultant to join his Environmental Protection Agency transition board, BY Erin Brockovich, Thu 19 Nov 2020.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich

Lesson: Crooked politicians who rig elections are rotten through and through.

 

You're using the term "rigging" loosely, to include both legal and illegal acts. Look at the facts Brazile presents. She says Debbie Wasserman Schultz was incompetent. The DNC was in debt, Schultz didn't tell anyone. Debbie "solved" the problem by letting the Clinton campaign bail her out - they paid off the debts, and in return - she gave them control, also without telling anyone else in the DNC. Brazile is complaining that this control gave Clinton a huge advantage, and she's calling this "rigging" because it was unfair to the other candidates. No laws were broken - Schultz' incompetence isn't illegal. Her actions were malfeasance, but that's a civil matter. If you can point to a law she broke, I'd be strongly in favor of tossing her in jail. Regardless, the article points exclusively to Schultz. How do you get from Schultz' malfeasance to an assertion that Democrats (as a group) routinely engage in illegal activity? If the inappropriate actions of one Democrat has implications for all Democrats, then I'll point you at a few comments by white-supremicist Republicans and let you accept the blame for what they say.

 

So what is you solution? How to fix "No Justice No Peace." problem?

 

Generally. Add in the immense power of the media and the relentless marketing of disinformation.

This sad state of affairs didn’t happen over night.