The absolute hypocrisy of Senate Republicans

This is about hypocrisy of conservative politics of the Senate Republicans, as opposed to a another OP spewing vague unsubstantiated generalities based on foggy assumptions on 'liberal hypocrisy' in this OP I'm going to get very specific to prove the point.

Not one republican senator is for the Covid Relief bill, they all have their minds made up, they are not going to vote for it, no way, no how. They think it's 'too costly' . They think it is a partisan bill.

That is rich, considering their trillion dollar tax giveaway to the super rich, causing deficits like we've never experienced in history, but let's take a look at it:

On the floor of the Senate, Sen. Chris Murphy brought out the following facts on the Trump tax cut:

$1.3 trillion corporate tax giveaway
$8.3 billion to let heirs inherit larger estates
$435 billion tax cut for the wealthiest 1% of Americans

And to the point that repubs in the senate who assert that the bill is a 'partisan bill', he pointed out that the bill is supported by:

All voters 76%

Democrats 89%

Independents 71%

Republicans 60%

So, the point is that it is a partisan bill only in the minds of the republicans in the Senate, who most certainly out of step with the will of the people.

And what to Americans think of Trump's tax cuts?

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ed-tax-day-into-a-giveaway-for-the-1-percent/

35% of Americans think it will have a positive effect
66% believe it will help the wealthy more than the middle class
63% believe the upper-income people pay too little in taxes
67% believe corporations pay too little in taxes.

So, the republicans don't have a problem in a tax giveaway to the wealthiest Americans causing deficits to swell to hitherto unseen heights, a tax cut totally out of step with the vast majority of Americans on the point of tax cuts for the super rich, but, oh, they have a problem if we help the poorest among us during the Covid crisis, which is causing so many people to suffer, God forbid if we do that.

 

Again, it wasn't vague. You *thinking* it's vague, is not the same thing as actual vagueness. Other then that, there's no need for me to respond to the insult so I'll address the OP. Regardless of what people thought, incomes did not rise in proportion to the Trump income tax, quite the contrary according to all analysis of the cuts, they are in line with the Bush cuts and similar cuts of previous governments.

The masses are ignorant, largely so. And they will find new ignorant things to complain about in 2024 that they could've been aware of in 2020 had they paid attention. That's just about the cuts.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-27/the-trump-tax-cut-wasn-t-just-for-the-rich

So considering the masses general ignorance about the trump tax cuts, are they equally ignorant about the covid bill? Yes. People believe this covid bill will actually address the needs of the people. Actually, it'll only address those on government programs since the democrats decided that, *that* is worth their time. And democrat-sponsored businesses, favored museums, etc will get their cut of the pie(the things that Pelosi couldn't get from Trump.). It's not only partisan, it's disgusting that American taxpayer dollars are essentially being used to bankroll politicians and their campaigns.(Essentially, yes the same thing Trump did.)

 

Their deceitful, narrow definition of what constitutes "direct relief" is one of the means by which they try to justify their hypocrisy.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...rald-overstates-claim-pork-covid-19-relief-b/

Now that a MW increase has been stripped out they have very little to legitimately complain about.

 

It was so vague as to almost be incoherent.

 

I'm never a vague person, so the problem must be with how some people choose to interpret things because the problem's not on this end.

 

The senate Republicans are all for a COVID relief bill. They are against the bail out Democrat states, support Democrat unions, and build subways for Pelosi bill.

Sen. Chris Murphy is not really hypocritical, just lost in his fantasy.

 

It's fair to say not 100% of the relief bill goes to COVID related relief. It's a lie to say only 9% does which is what some Repub senators are claiming.
This is about Repubs trying to position themselves as being concerned about the deficit when they didn't give a lick for 4 years.

 

We have seen the silly GOP game over and over...Remember all the time wasted getting rid of the ACA?....78 times and they didnt have the numbers to do ****!...But no they just went ahead wasting everyones time.....****ing juvenile ass hats!

 

By my rough estimate I would say about 60% of the COVID relief bill is about COVID relief. 40% of the funds and other actions should be killed, but the Democrats won't hear of it.

 

But in your thread, it wasn’t about hypocrisy, even though you titled it that way. It was more about complaining about the second tier place conservatism plays in the culture wars. It seems to me the thread didn’t go the way you thought it would.

 

Because, in spite of conservative beliefs to the contrary, tax cuts do not pay for themselves. The Trump era Republican tax cuts were paid for with additional debt. Debt that accumulates year after year after year.... So, in essence, the Republicans have been borrowing massive amounts of money, just so corporations and the wealthiest among us can pay less taxes. A debt that we all owe.

 

The Republicans are against anything that will make Joe Biden look good. Throughout Obama’s administration they did nothing but try to sabotage the Obama administration. Early on, they would negotiate a bill, only to vote against it lock step fashion, when it came up for a vote. They keep saying they want compromise, but they have shown no desire to ever compromise with the Democrats. That is to say, Republicans have a long history of not being honest brokers.

 

I can't wait.

Right on both counts

The tax "giveaway" was not for the super rich, it was for businesses to help them be more competitive in the global marketplace. Did it work? I doubt it. Was it a good thing? Any tax reduction is a good thing. It gives the federal government less money to waste. While they will spend anyway without the taxes, at least it has a chance of reducing a little of it.

Guesswork but I have no refutation of the numbers.

I need to find out what questions were asked to achieve this result. Did they ask "do you favor a bill that would put a couple of thousand bucks in your pocket?" or did they ask "do support a spending bill that will put the government an additional $2 trillion in debt?" I hope you got the point.

It is a partisan bill. That should be as obvious to you as it is to me.

Again it is about how the questions are phrased and who is asked.

Had you considered how nonsensical it is to compare a tax reduction to a spending bill?

 

Assessing an OP as 'vague' is not an insult, it's an assessment, If I said it were the work of an idiot, that would be an insult. I asked in that thread to be specific, so I'll go back and check to see if you complied with that request as the OP was a rant, was framed very poorly.

And, your rebuttal is incorrect. People are suffering and people need assistance. IF helping them is doing something for the sole reason of being elected, hell, we must plead guilty. At least we are trying to get reelected on our deeds, whereas republicans try to get reelected by gerrymandering, voter suppression, slowing down the mail, accusing them of cheating and destroying confidence in democracy ( which backfired in GA, a red state elects two democrat senators? It's called Karma, baby ) when it is they who are cheating, etc., etc., etc.

And, you levy the accusation that anything democrats did was for the purpose of being reelected, and if you made that accusation, you can make that accusation about everything democrats did, and I could make that accusation about everything republicans do, but I recall Donald Trump making a hissy fit about crowd size the first day he took office, so if you want an example of someone who is the textbook example of someone who, if he does anything, it's for votes, look to none other than your previous president. Hell, popularity and votes was the only thing he cared about, he didn't give a damn about anyone other than Donald Trump --- if the subject were on helping people in wheelchairs, he would be talking about the stock market, he would be annoying reporters that the cameras did get a wide shot showing the crowd size, he'd be complaining because reporters didn't mention, no matter what the subject is, they didn't mention the jobs report for the day.

So, what I'm saying is, if that sort of thing really bothers you, you must have, therefore, nothing but contempt for Donald Trump.

 

I didn't think people would say "we're totally not hypocritical, you're just vague!" but if I'm being honest, it wasn't that surprising of an angle. After all, I was a former Liberal so that approach isn't too shocking actually.

 

Break it down for us with some detail.

 

Ain't that the truth. After 14 months of negotiating and republicans amended the ACA 188 times, when the time came for the vote on it, did any republican vote for it? Nope, not one vote. So why should we even take them seriously at all? Now, They block everything in the senate in the hopes of making it look like democrats are incompetent and can't get anything passed so they can make this an argument to win senate seats and take it back in the next election, they don't give a damn about whatever good the bill would do for the country. Everything is a kneejerk "NO". Today, when republicans add amendments, it has only one purpose, to take up floor time and delay for the sake of delay. They have no intention of voting for any dem bill. All they want to do is bog the process down, make dems look bad, hoping they can make this an argument to regain power. That's it.

And they wonder why we utilized the budget reconciliation process on big bills, which is why they are big, only one per fiscal year is allowed.

 

Not many people are as sensitive to mushy verbiage as I am, so your "others didn't" premise doesn't change mine.

 

Wait, what? Now this is actually vague. What do you mean by "others didn't"?

 

For good reason, because outside of the budget reconciliation process, a bill requires 60 votes, and this is onlhy because repubs abuse the filibuster, they filibuster EVERYTHING. See? If that 40% were as separate bills outside of BR, they won't get passed. Repubs are not interested in doing the people's business, they are only interested in regaining power, and their trick is to block ALL dem bills so they can put forth the argument dems are incompetent and can't get bills passed, as an argument to get people to vote for them.

So, the reason is simple, really. If you know your opponent is going to block every bill you put on the floor, and you know one of your own won't' vote to kill the filibuster, then you are going to put as much in the budget reconciliation bill as possible,given that only one per fiscal year is allowed, eh?

So, the essence of the thing is that your side does this, we must operate in this fashion. Y'all give us no choice.

 

If you gave all 330 million citizens $1400, the total cost would be $462 billion. That is about a quarter of the total cost. I realize there is more to stimulus than the individual payments, but there are costs in there not associated with Covid19. The $1400 is being used to sell the package to the US public.

Corporations are owned by people like. me.
Why should an estate be taxed at all? The money was already taxed. It is being taxed because the money was saved.
The reason the wealthiest people get the tax cut is because they pay the most taxes.

 

Wasting time is what they do best.....
Sen. Ron Johnson delays COVID-19 relief bill by forcing it to be read aloud
https://news.yahoo.com/sen-ron-johnson-delays-covid-123104722.html

Probably just too lazy to read it himself.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...of-senate-republicans.585733/#post-1072488730

I support the estate tax to prevent the ever increasing phenomenon I refer to as 'dynasty-ism'.
Smaller estates I have no problem with. It's the big ones for the above reasons.

They don't pay enough, actually, in terms of percentages of income and wealth accrual. Since they benefit from the system the most, they should pay the bulk of taxes. If they don't pay, then others will have to pay in either direct taxation or inflation, as inflation taxes those who cannot hedge (the poor) and that, we deem, is not fair.

Inflation is paid by those who cannot hedge, which are the poor. So, it is the poor who are taxed the most, inflation is, in ultimate de facto terms, a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich. Inflation has been occurring at the rate of 2.88% since 1900, which is a cummulative 3000% increase in prices, and corresponding devaluation of the dollar. Those who do not possess value increasing assets, i.e., those who are less able to hedge, are the ones who pay for it, and that is the poor. The rich keep ahead of the devaluation of the dollar because they own assets that accrue in value, and often accrue faster than inflation and, as such, are the beneficiaries of inflation. We have an inflationary economy because of this fact, the rich love inflation, so they keep politicians in power who inflate in a never ending self-perpetuating cycle, which will ultimately lead to a collapse, but the rich are protected, as much of their assets is not in dollars, it's in real estate, gold, etc. The poor are the ones who will suffer the most.

Therefore, since the inflationary economy penalizes the poor to benefit the rich, compensation from the rich to the poor is required, to rectify this injustice.

 

Your reference that others weren't giving you the same criticism as I am, and therefore, I must be wrong.

Nope.