I thought the arctic was melting?

Snowpack is stable.

The Northwest (US) Snowpack Trend of the Past Fifty Years: The Truth May Surprise You
Charles Rotter
So the inescapable conclusion based upon snowpack observations is that there has been little trend in the amount of snow in the mountains of the Pacific Northwest during a period…

 

It is still well below freezing the entire time.......

I still have not read why a summer free ice cover is bad to the world anyway, how come warmist/alarmists are silent on this?

 

Have any of you folks who don't believe in the melting taken your opinions to a science forum, where you'll find lots of qualified people to comment on it?

Because you shouldn't give any theory you come up with credence without running by folk who are qualified.

 

Your comment is a red herring (LINK), I don't know of anyone who disputes the melting back, but current warmist/alarmists are claiming it is still dwindling when it actually stopped, although at a lower vale than 20 years ago. It has stabilized starting in 2007.



Dr. Mann a twice lawsuit loser pseudoscientist would be considered qualified?

 

What scientific authority says you are right?

Because you shouldn't give any theory you come up with credence without running it by folk who are qualified.

 

It appears you don't know anything about how to read a simple chart.

You also avoided my question.

 

What did qualified people say when you showed them your chart and presented your argument?

It would be foolish to give any credence to a theory you come up with without running it by folk who are qualified.

I didn't answer your question because I'm making no appeal to the authority of Dr. Mann.

I'm asking why you would put any trust in your own conclusions you haven't talked to people who are actually qualified.

 

Can you suggest a suitable one where those posting dissenting views aren't just banned?

And who decides who is "qualified"? You?

 

Apparently, the ultimate scientific authority: actual empirical data.

A graph showing the claimed rapid melting of arctic sea ice is in fact not occurring is not a theory. It is a visual representation of empirical data.

 

You go on and on with a bogus argument, what is your purpose of doing it?

Since YOU can't even tell me how you determine what that is, it seems you are playing an evasive game here.

Meanwhile MASIE is a part of NSIDC which you can see for yourself HERE

By the way, YOU still haven't answered my question.

LOL

 

The qualified people at MASIE created the chart. Hello?

Exactly what "theory" do you incorrectly imagine he has come up with?

You are invoking authorities of some description. So who, exactly?

Because each of us must judge the facts for ourselves. That's the only way we can judge who is a qualified authority on the subject in the first place. For starters, anyone who claims there is a climate "crisis" or "emergency" caused by CO2 warming the earth's surface when there self-evidently and indisputably isn't one has automatically disqualified themselves from being considered qualified or an authority.

 

Why don't you go visit THIS LINK that goes to another thread in the forum that shows a man who was for years regarded as a great scientist for the CO2 did it group, now he is nearly all alone as the pseudoscientist he is proven to be.

He was considered a "Qualified" scientist in 1998 after he posted an obviously bogus "Hockey Stick" paper, and the IOCC put it up on their front page in the 2001 report. The paper was exposed as statistical garbage in 2005 as shown HERE, but warmist/alarmists idiotically resist the evidence of the paper being exposed as garbage.

This means they hung onto a former "qualified" scientist nonsense years later, so again why do you think your loaded question is relevant here?

 

It is a shame Hey Nonny Mouse runs away frim my questions.

Now Dr. Mann is getting worse than ever, the Pseudoscientist hard at work:

Michael Mann: Russian Web Bots are Causing Climate Activists to Fight Each Other


This the man you want the rest of us too drool over his non existent scientific acumen?

 

It’s Official: Greenland Has Not Warmed Since 2001: The Recent Sharp Warming Lasted From 1981-2000
By Kenneth Richard on 29. March 2021

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A new study (Hanna et al., 2021) affirms a significant warming trend occurred in the late 20th century across Greenland, mirroring the warming that occurred in the early 20th century. Since 2001, the temperature trends across Greenland have stopped rising and begun cooling.
A temperature pattern has been emerging in Greenland during the last few decades that does not align with alarming proclamations of catastrophic ice sheet melt from accelerated warming.

After significant summer (winter) warming of about 2°C (to 4°C) from the 1980s to 2000, Greenland’s warming trend has plateaued and, since 2012, a cooling trend has commenced.

“ince 2001 overall temperature trends are generally flat and insignificant due to a cooling pattern over the last 6–7 years.”

“According to MAR, and in line with the DMI coastal station analysis above, much of southern and southwest Greenland has not warmed during autumn since 1991. MAR trends between 2001 and 2019 show the southwest of the country cooling in winter and spring, and deeper, much more widespread cooling in west Greenland in autumn.”



Image Source: Hanna et al., 2021 . . .

 

Scientists Again Affirm Natural Warmings Of 5–16 °C In ‘A Few Decades’ Can Be ‘Entirely Unforced’
By Kenneth Richard on 20. May 2021

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A new study asserts that when Greenland naturally warms by multiple degrees per decade, this “abrupt climate variability can result entirely from unforced or noise-induced oscillations of the coupled atmosphere-ice-ocean system.” This means the recent modest climate changes for Greenland may easily fall within the scope of an unforced natural variability pattern.
In the last 100 years Greenland has not experienced any obvious net warming. In fact, not only was the “1919–32 warming trend […] 33% greater in magnitude than the 1994–2007 warming” (Box et al., 2009), but the Greenland ice sheet has not warmed (net) since the early 2000s.

Now a new study (Capron et al., 2021) has shown Greenland only needs a few decades to warm up by anywhere from 5 to 16°C. These abrupt warmings have occurred rather routinely in the past – perhaps every few millennia. . . .