So what does the Republican Party stand for now?

I really don't want to argue this with you. I just wanted to know what it is you fear so much to make this your main if not recurring theme. I know you cannot, or more precisely, refuse to see other people's viewpoint, but what you fear, that dreaded future when they will, in fact, want to severely limit or eliminate private gun possession is the future you will bring to realization by refusing to see the others' side of the argument today.

These mass shootings have become the norm. It is silly to think just repeating the above is a solution to anything.

 

I reject the 'viewpoint' that restricting access to legal products will somehow reduce illegal activity. Except that's not really a 'viewpoint' but more of a proven fallacy that most people understand except when applied to firearms for reasons typically citing corelative data that has not remotely been demonstrated to be causal. I get that some people fear getting shot... what I 'refuse' to accept is their assertion that by making it harder for me, a law abiding citizen, to get guns (or certain guns) it will somehow make them safer.

What your essentially saying is that by refusing to let others infringe on my rights, I'm going to cause others to infringe on my rights, so I should just let others infringe on my rights... surely you see the problem with this 'logic'...?

 

As opposed to the other 364 days you lawless clowns burned down cities. Lol

 

Does "a law abiding citizen" need an assault rifle to feel safe?

 

How safe? I feel pretty safe. But I recognize theres no such thing as totally safe. Perhaps if you rephrased the question in a way that made sense...?

 

OK, can you accept that "certain guns" should be kept out of the hands of "certain people"?

 

Except that your simply not being truthful about what Democrats want here, and are just trying to be a fear monger.

 

Mass shootings have been ongoing since the 1800's. This is nothing new.

The Boston Marathon bombers used bombs. If people want to kill people they will find a way.

Let's not forget:

What part of that is not truthfull?

Everything on that list looks accurate to me.

Also Trump was the one who fixed and built up our military and saved the last tank factory. It was the Democrats who let our military fall apart to save money.

 

Lol. Ok! Let’s see
1. A secure America. ( unrestricted immigration on the southern border)
2. A strong military( defense budget cuts)
3. Property rights( tax increases, insane
environmental restrictions, cancellation of oil leases,)
4. Jobs, (increases taxes on corporations who in turn export jobs, increased imports on cheap labor, minimum wage increases that lower total number of jobs)
5. Lower taxes: less money for working families to support themselves. The creation of a dependency class in hopes to secure votes.
6. Affordable energy: the oil-phobic left is already declaring a war on energy and jobs.
6: Law and order: we already know how you hate justice. Defund and restrict police, pushing gun control whilst turning criminals loose on us,
Pure evil.

 

That's easy peasey.

Same as Democrats- their corporate lobbyists.

 

Doesn't change the point I raised. You can shout 'they don't serve us' till kingdom come, and all you are going to be is on the sidelines.

What would have to happen for you to believe a party has your interests at heart?

 

They would have to vote to stop all campaign contributions, break up monopolies/oligopolies, agree to one term only, dismantle the two party system, pass balanced budgets and actually stick to them... I’m sure there is plenty more, but let’s start with that.

 

I agree on your campaign contributions point; there is no such thing as a 2 party system: you can start your own any time; deficit budgets are justified and even a normal thing for long term investments such as infrastructure, but I agree they should be limited to these.

Oligopolies are not always wrong, but should be closely monitored; monopolies should be tightly controlled or owned by the state.

 

You are living in la la land.

With monopolies one has to be careful. For example, I recall in the 70s, they broke up Ma Bell, it was a monopoly, they said. The problem was, even after the break up, broken up into many smaller companies, the problem was that wherever you lived, you were still left with only one choice for a telephone, and guess what, the phone bill doubled. The judge, therefore, who ordered that break up was thinking philosophically, and not pragmatically. So, it all depends.

Take AMazon, it sounds lke a monolopy, right? But, thousands of companies market their products VIA Amazon, so Amazon as allowed many smaller companies to compete in one shopping environment. Amazon is not just a big retailer, it's a mall. You can sell a product via Amazon, and if you get positive reviews, people will search for a given product generically and based on the top reviews, so you will get a shot. For example, someone sees a product advertised in TV then go on Amazon and search for the product, not by brand name, but generically by ratiings, this gives a lot of competitors a shot at that person's business, who are benefitting from the top retailer's TV ads. Personally, i don't think breaking up Amazon is a good idea, what we should to is make Amazon and Bezos pay their taxes.

The spectrum is real, like colors are real. The two party system merely reflects reality. Coalition governments are merely a consortium of right leaning parties versus left leaning parties, witch haven't coalesced, and as a result, there is never a 'majority' vote. So, coalescing all those right leaning parties to one party, an coalescing all those left leaning parties to one party, gives each side of the spectrum more strength, that is why it is the way it is in America, because the bicameral system is conducive to it, and stopping it would be like trying to get nature to stop the seasons. in other words. it manifests because America's system as allowed the natural right versus left forces to coalesce into single parties. To me, it makes a lot of sense and it would make no sense to break it up.

That being said, there is plenty of room for improvement, so what I do is strive to get my party to improve it.

You are just a cynic. The world is never going to be what you want it to be.

 

All this is exactly why I know no party has anyone’s interests at heart. They ensure things are structured to maintain the extreme polarity, and even promote it. Nope, I trust political parties and politicians as far as I can spit on them.

 

Cynicism is a dead end attitude.

Sorry.

 

It keeps me aware, and less susceptible to political tricks to concentrate power in the hands of the elite.

 

If your criminals have assault weapons you gonna feel safe with a single shot bolt action rifle. Why not just use a wrist rocket, right

 

Now that Democrat is in office, I believe we are, so I've been told in all those periods throughout my life.. Sure, it was hard to tell working 50 hours a week, but I was assured it was the best time of my life!!

 

Sure. People being incarcerated for violent crime shouldn't have guns. We should do that, and we do. Children shouldn't have guns while unsupervised. We also do that. Grenade launchers and artillery are hazardous if not stored properly. We regulate the hell out of those.

 

Their evolution will be at a snails pace as long as they keep listening to Trump, Guiiani, Gaetz, Jordan and other lunatic imbeciles..

 

The GOP has become a wildly dishonest populist party that tells barefaced lies, undermining confidence in the system, in order to get elected.

Those few in the GOP who refused to repeat Trump's lies have been swept aside by the base.

For a good sense of the global standing of the GOP, have a look at how conservative parties overseas describe them compared to the Dems. Have a read about the sort of integrity foreign conservative parties think the GOP has.

 

Naomi Wolfe, a long time leftist feminist activist and author, has been making the rounds of conservative media this week selling her book, because her pro First Amendment and anti lockdown positions are no longer welcome among her former allies.

Glenn Greenwald, a longtime leftist reporter, also only can get airtime on conservative and right leaning sites (he's on Tucker right now) because his Russia views and media criticism are no longer welcome on the usual left leaning sites.

I'm seeing more and more leftists showing up on right leaning media because they are being pushed out of the left platforms if they have even one heterodox opinion, or maintain what used to be "liberal" free expression positions.

It's gradual but it's happening.

 

There is big money to be made on right wing media outlets, bashing liberals. Is that not what conservatism is all about, trashing liberals. Opposing everything liberals do and say. I never hear new ideas coming from the right, just the same old same old with the feigned threats of the evil liberalism coming to get you if you don’t vote Republican.

 

I'm unclear how that addresses the issue I was raising.