Police: 8 dead in shooting at FedEx facility in Indianapolis

No country in the world has more guns per capita than the US.

And the US is also the country with the most mass shooting per capita in the world.

 

But, but, but, but..............

 

And millions of gun owners are going to nothing? Limiting people's right to own guns is a sure way to start a civil war in the US. I'm assuming you are not American and therefore do not understand what you think is a simple change to the 2A.

 

It's also a country that has a high level of stress and a low level of life satisfaction. Being a rich country many folks would find that unusual.

 

Without justifying police officers shooting innocent people, you have to admit that it is incredibly stressful to do this job considering that anyone in this country can so easily get a handgun.

This kind of incident is extremely rare everywhere in the West, but so common in the US.

And there are still some who wonder why.

 

Because you have lots of gated communities, good locks, cops are seen/patrolling every 15-30 minutes and will answer most calls in less (though conservatives seem always to be serviced in hours, go figure) and neighborhood watchers get awards, not 'stitches'

It's definitely NOT because the people where you live have ANY more guns than the people in more urban and violent areas. People who live in high-crime areas are armed as much as anyone who is afraid of crime in their neighborhood. Additionally, most gang members live in the areas their gangs victimize, where do you think they get their guns from? You don't find lots of gun collectors because it is an expensive hobby but I daresay that the number of houses with individual weapons exceeds that of most other areas by a goodly amount

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

 

That makes sense as long as the added guns are in the hands of law abiding, sane people. We already have laws banning the sale of guns to to people who are not law abiding or insane. Gun laws don't matter. They never have. They only affect the law abiding. The problems are cultural and social.

 

To understand why you need to know more about America's history, especially the American Revolution where the right to bear arms began. There should be no reason to wonder why it's easy to own a gun here in the US. No country has the same history so trying to compare the US to other western countries is just plain ignorance. You want to answers to why the 2A is a cherished right in the US start with our history and how America was able to win it's independence from the one of the strongest, imperialistic countries, England, of it's time. Access to guns is what helped win our independence and freedom from another rule by a king. And 1776 was not that long ago compared to many other countries.

 

Except that now, the most fervent supporters of the 2A wanted to overturn the election by storming the Capitol.

So it's wrong to claim that today the 2A will protect us from a dictatorship.

 

No background checks ?

No medical backgrounds check for mental illness ?

 

There are over 50 countries around the word, including Russia, that have far higher homicides and far stricter gun laws / bans than the US.

If stricter gun laws worked to reduce homicides, they'd work everywhere, not just in the cherry picked countries that gun banners chose that are nothing like the US.

 

Why is it that gun banners have such great difficulty understanding the simple reality that criminals, by definition, do not obey laws.....any laws?

 

Link please.

 

And you don't understand that the easier it is to get a gun, the easier it is for an unbalanced person to realize his fantasies of mass murder.

 

Wait a minute, I thought it was Mental Illness ???

 

Sooo.... you'd have to give your attacker a nice cup o' tea to sip on while he patiently waited for you to retrieve your "licensed" firearm and ammunition from their separate, locked locations....it's heartening to see that Aussies elect clueless f**ks to lord over them too.

 

You are, unfortunately, correct -- and that is the great enigma for all Americans.

In this sinister, almost-ungovernable time in the United States, many of us deeply feel the NEED to be able to defend ourselves, with lethal force if necessary. BUT -- at the same time, we understand that it is of very great importance that we keep what I've described as "Criminals and Crazies" from ever possessing or using firearms!

I don't trust the hyperliberal, Constitution-hating Left to be able to make any acceptable decisions concerning the Second Amendment, but I have come to the point where I believe that no one who is undergoing psychiatric care, or currently taking any one of many different kinds of prescription drugs should be allowed to be in possession of firearms. Moreover, there should be no firearms in any residence where such persons are living!

Now, how can we ethically separate these "sheep from the goats"...? How do we keep firearms OUT of the hands of "Criminals and Crazies" without disarming sane, law-abiding, responsible American citizens who need to be able to defend their lives?!

 

I think you are overlooking the differences in culture. You state that you all "(mostly) gave them up" which speaks to the overall acceptance of social order versus individuality. That's a couple generations ago for us in the U.S. I remember a time when we knew all our neighbors and people looked out for another.

This past year has really shown how deeply Americans do not subscribe to the idea of "the greater good". For example, I was saddened that our local WalMart had to designate an hour each morning in which only seniors could shop. This came about because too many people were racing past them and grabbing the last of items on the shelves. I would stop and help any seniors I saw struggling. I read hundreds of messages online of people shouting "every man for himself!!!" as some kind of warrior cry that they were so big and bad that they bragged about basically pushing other shoppers away. It was a horrible display of selfishness in my opinion.

With that in mind, it is not difficult to connect the dots to how we've reached this point in our society where no amount of deaths by mass shooting is "enough" to get Americans to "mostly, gladly give up" their weapons. If taking out a classroom of Kindergarteners didn't do it, it's pretty clear that nothing will.

 

Nobody keeps their weapons and ammunition in separate locked boxes. That only works on paper.

 

I find it curious that we aren't talking about the fact that some mass shooters got their supplies from a family member's arsenal so no amount of locked boxes and physical separation matters. Maybe, we could put a dent in these shootings if the actual licensed gun owner was held accountable for their weapons getting in the wrong hands. Maybe they would be more inclined to get their kid some mental health assistance and take better precautions with storage if they had to face the music when things go off the rails in their household.

 

They do. They think if they can collect up all the guns and destroy them, life will be better. They can't succeed at doing that and life won't be better. Guns aren't the problem. Our culture is. Back in my youth there weren't any gun laws and anyone could buy a gun mail order. We had very very few mas shooting. Guns? Nope. Our culture was better in those times. If you really want to stop mass shootings, shutting down the internet would be an effective first step.

 

Not even close. Millions of 2A people in this country who did nothing of the sort. It’s our right to protect ourselves from both foreign and domestic enemies.

 

But, but ,but....IT'S THE LAW, WITH LEGAL PENALTIES!!! And 2nd Amendment supporters on this forum who think OUR anti-gun crowd are in la-la land need Google up Australian gun laws and articles written by both pro and anti-gun rights advocates Down Under! THEIR anti-gun crowd makes OURS look like rabid pro-gunners in comparison!

 

AH.....but you must remember that to some folks the event on Jan. 6th, 2021 overshadows both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 COMBINED! Sure wish I could stop laughing every time someone spouts it.

 

In order to understand you have to be aware of American history where high calibre guns were useful in slaughtering large numbers of the North American Aboriginals by (mainly) European incomers.
Mass slaughter of Native Americans who had less sophisticated weaponry was said to be an aid to self defence, never let it be said that the mass slaughter was an aid to greedy appropriation of North American resources formally available to more or less everybody.
Spree killings are as traditionally American (the state) as Country and Western Music.