Infrastructure Investing

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    This happened well before QAnon was a thing. Where are you even getting that crazy claim?
     
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    What thing. A conservative conspiratorial anti LGBT rag ? That’s your source .

    The crazy ideas from the right has been around a while. QAnon is another lunatic fringe that picked them up.
     
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    It happened. Teachers were actually fired.
     
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    That is certainly possible. I didn't double check my math and I have trouble with decimal points. But you math scenario raises eyebrows. First off car battery capacity is measured in KW-hr not KW so I assume you meant the Tesla supercharger battery has a capacity of 72KWhr which sounds about right for a top of the line battery (let me know if I am misreading your post.) Charging a 72KWhr battery in one hour requires 72,000 watts. With a 440 volts source that draws 163 amps. For comparison, since no home has 440V electric service, a 240V source would draw 300 amps, 20-some times the normal household's maximum draw. It doesn't add up.

    Or, maybe it substantiates the (my) current problem with the planned public charging stations. No station exists that has the capability to charge multiple batteries at that level. Plus the current grid can't get the electricity to the station even if they did exist.
     
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    His plan is to make corporations pay for it through increase taxation...
     
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    Well, you'd have to make over 300 pots of coffee a day to use 12KWhrs
     
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    Since revenue went up following Trump's tax cuts, how would anything be paid for by reversing those cuts????
     
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    Corporate tax revenue fell by $87 billion with Trump's tax cut. Which of the Infrastructure Investment's $2.3 trillion what will that cover do you suppose??? By the numbers it could handle the Amtrak repair; just $2.2 trillion to go.
     
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    The charger supplies 72 kilowatts. When you charge for 1 hour you get 72Kwh.

    The superchargers attach directly to the grid. Like the top of the power pole. This they convert to 440 volt 3 phase so about 50 amps a phase. So yes they can do several just like there are lots of houses running on the same power line.

    You are right you can't charge a dead battery in an hour from home, but you can usually easily charge an average days driving overnight.

    I think the transformer shown in this picture is what you are missing.

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    That is an interesting and very problematic solution. When the United States had the highest corporate tax rate in the world, there was absolutely no incentive for American companies to stay in America. Financially awarding offshoring seems like a bad deal for the American people. And is it really going to increase revenue? In 2009, Oregon increased its corporate tax rates and raised taxes on the states highest income earners. The result was that Oregon ended up with less tax revenue than they had before the tax increase. How did that happen? Well, many of Oregon's largest corporations moved all their high earners out of state. Jeld-Win moved to North Carolina. Intel moved most of their highest earners to Boise. Epson USA moved many of their highest earners out of state. And why wouldn't they? At least Oregon had that warm fuzzy feeling that they were sticking it to the rich, and by sticking it to the rich, Oregon gave them more spending money for moving into low tax states.

    I think if people are planning to raise taxes to raise revenue then they owe it to themselves to research the work of Arthur Laffer which postulates that there is a definite rate of taxation which results in the maximum amount of revenue. If you exceed the maximum revenue point, then tax revenues will actually drop. This has been proven many times in real world circumstances and seems to me like a very solid hypothesis.
     
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    Yes. Just an example that it does not take all that much to charge up after a typical day of driving.
     
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    You seem to be forgetting that along with that tax rate comes a tax deduction rate so it is never the tax rate at the start. Companies are the ones profiting from infrastructure it is only right they pay more than the occasional drivers.
     
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    I can see the math and capability. The question is how many will you need and can the electric company deliver the electricity. It does support another problem that I pointed out. These charging stations cost way more than the parking meter-like stations being scattered around today.
     
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    Sure they were. It was all over the “real news “, not.
     
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    Andrew Brietbart ? Amazing your sources.
    Right wing rags from 12 years ago and more made up abt.
     
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    Genetic fallacy.

    Post one source refuting it. Just one.
     
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    Point one source that isn’t made up sht. You think because it was a dozen years ago the lies made up by anti gay rags suddenly are true. Click your heals three times....

    What poor post response. . Prove the moon isn’t made of green cheese. In the real world you don't take someone to court then tell them to prove they aren’t guilty...neither do you make false claims then ask to prove their not true....8 year old logic...
     
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    I gave you numerous sources that aren't.

    You've yet to post anything other than trolling denials.
     
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    Okay, we can sit here arguing all day about whether some of these things are "infrustructure" and what the definition of the word is. But all these proposal are beneficial and thats what really matters in a bill.
     
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    Then you should have no trouble finding proof in USA Today and the like and not check out counter rags.
     
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    You're funny. I've posted sources, one of which has copies of the event flyer, an affidavit from a person in attendance, etc.

    This is typical liberal denial. Find a source that says it didn't happen. Until then, you're just repeating logical fallacies over and over.
     
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    Sources ? Get real.
     
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    So you have no sources to back up your assertion. Thought as much.
     

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