Higher Death, Hospitalization Rates Among Vaccinated Individuals: UK COVID-19 Data

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Here is one report challenging the notion that the unvaccinated are dying in droves whereas the vaccinated are not.

Out of the 4,087 fully vaccinated people, 2.05 percent (84 people) ended up in a hospital. Among the 35,521 unvaccinated people, only 1.48 percent (527 people) were hospitalized.​

Higher Death, Hospitalization Rates Among Vaccinated Individuals: UK COVID-19 Data - Vision Times

 

Another if it's printed it must be true.

 

Another knee jerk denialism...

 

Correlation. The first wave of the masses targeted were the elderly. The vaccines are less effective with the elderly because their immune systems are laggards and some medications appear to interfere with the development of antibodies on top of that. Yes we are starting to see a disappointing number of break through infections. I have always found the 95% effective number dubious simply because of the methodology at which it was determined. I would still encourage people to get the vaccines to be on the safe side unless their research shows that someone in their particular situation is at higher risk for a bad reaction. As I indicated in another thread, one of my brothers and his wife had it. My brother was sick a few days and has recovered. His wife, however, is still in the hospital with pneumonia that set in about a week after the first symptoms.

 

It's a deliberate misinterpretation of the facts and data, using the same methodology it would show that in car crashes you are more likely to die while wearing a seat belt than not.

 

ITT: a nutter site uses percentages to make 527 (unvaccinated hospitalizations) look like fewer than 84 (vaccinated hospitalizations), and 34 (unvaccinated deaths) look like fewer than 26 (vaccinated deaths). Never has the "lies, damned lies, and statistics" adage been more apt.

 

It's another example of what Al Gore called an inconvenient truth.

The masks don't work and the shots don't work, and many people are talking about it in public. That is bad news for the Cult of the Poisoned Mind.

 

Exactly.

 

By only looking at the percentage of cases, you're (intentionally) trying to cover up the fact that unvaccinated people were much, much more likely to be infected in the first place. With roughly 50% of the UK population fully vaccinated, 35,521 unvaccinated infections compared to 4,087 vaccinated infections is a much more significant difference than the resultant hospitalisation or fatality rates.

 

The jabs take 3 to 6 weeks to be effective. If you get COVID, you likely will be recovered or dead in less time. Perversely, the people getting sick who are not vaccinated are getting us closer to herd immunity faster than the people who are getting the jabs.

Anyway, do as you like. I encourage people to be open to the idea of jabs, do their own research based on their individual situations, consult with their doctor if need be, and then decide. After that, it is all a matter of chance one way or the other.

I am still masking and social distancing as much as possible. I suspect those things are just as if not more so effective than the vaccines at this point.

 

The danger with these types of treatments in animal trials was ADE which second exposure to the virus killed them. This is the reason none of them ever made it out of trials and got licensed. No animal trials for these vaccines and a very abbreviated early human trials. The vaccinated are the test subjects in an experiment.

 

In addition, and for the following reasons, we can't compare UK and U.S. vaccination statistics;

1. Since the beginning of the pandemic, UK's BABY Covid19 vaccine has been Oxford Astrazeneca, and due to several hurdles, during and after its clinical trials, said vaccine hasn't been approved by the FDA.

2. A majority of UK citizens have been vaccinated with one or two does of the Astrazeneca vaccine, whereas in the U.S., a majority of citizens have been vaccinated with one or two does of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

3. Also, Pfizer, Moderna, and Astra's vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant, one or two doses, are statistically different.

Thus, considering all of the above-mentioned indisputable FACTS, why would anyone use UK's vaccination statistics, ''in an effort to tarnish our MAIN TWO vaccine's effectiveness, and related Hospitalization/Fatality Data''?

I now question the OP's IQ?????????

 

Which treatment are you refering to (mRNA or Adenovirus), and can you link to one of these trials? My understanding is that ADE was a problem with the Adenovirus (i.e. Janssen) vaccine, not the mRNA versions.

 

All of the mRNA trials. They have been working on this tech for 2 or 3 decades.

 

Can you link to one where ADE emerged as a danger? I did a cursory search and couldn't find one referencing ADE as a problem. The most common issues I saw were ineffectiveness severe immune reactions (e.g. shock).

 

Especially when it comes from a Chinese source

About Vision Times - Vision Times

 

And the hundreds of millions of test subjects has demonstrated a huge decrease in deaths and hospitalizations of the vaccinated when compared to the unvaccinated

 

With zero known effects long term due to no long term clinical trials.

 

Some doctors have already seen increased incidence of cancer and other organ disease directly related to the vaccine. The CDC won't admit this, but the vaccine does not always stay in the deltoid muscle. And when it migrates, it destroys tissue.

 

Hmmmm an almost unknown website

let us look about what they say about themselves

https://www.visiontimes.com/about-us

Soooooo pro Chinese website with some pretty blatant and obvious vaccine information

no! That is not suss at all!!!

 

No! Wait ! let me guess! Those “doctors” include some of Trumps experts” like old Stella



Ok so, tell me is the same “side effect” being hidden by various vaccine monitoring departments in Australia and the UK and Europe and Indonesia and India and………….

 

Link?

 

I didn’t bother asking because I have never gotten one in the past hence my “take no prisoners” reply

 

I like to ask just in case, even though it's usually a crackpot source or (hilariously) a screenshot of something that was a mistake and actually corrected later.

 

How long is "long term clinical trials"?