Where is the mandate?

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "...is developing..." "...will issue..."

    These indicate to me that this 'rule' does not yet exist.

    And given that it is citing the 'test out' provision which has already been discarded, indicates that it is merely regurgitating the original 'press statement' and not any known impending legislation.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The article was written before the rule was passed or implemented. This is usually how news articles work.

    Sorry, no one here is actually going to waste their time for you doing the research, digging through all the OSHA rules.

    Now you get some idea of why big corporations have to hire a whole legal team department. There's almost no way one individual person could keep on top of all the rules.
     
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  3. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But this is a federal mandate. Such things are not commonly (ever iirc) hidden.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would be under the OSHA emergency temporary standard if it existed. I can't find it.
    It is very possible that OSHA has not actually implemented this rule yet. But from an article I read, it seems like the Biden Administration is pressing them to do it. It might just be a matter of time. They might just be delaying it.

    I would guess that OSHA might want the availability of testing to increase to a more realistic level before they implement the rule.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I know. There has been no law or executive order because neither one would be constitutional in this case. I'm embarrassed that CEO's fell for it and did what common sense tells us is wrong. We need less risk averse CEO's. Business is all about risk. Why do people think Covid is going to go away? We haven't even conquered the common cold. We need to the things that fight the effects of the virus without changing our lives. Get vaccinated if you should and ignore the damned virus. It isn't going to go away. It is just going to continue mutating.
     
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    Psaki says its coming so there is no mandate, yet. It would likely be unconstitutional but that never stops democrats.
     
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    I wonder what magic the number 100 holds. If an employer only has 99 employees, then no one can catch/carry/transmit COVID? If that's a fact, then I guess we'll start firing people next week, that will protect 99 employees permanently, no booster required!

    For those who need to be told, sarcasm included.
     
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    1910.502(a)(2)(iv)
    Well-defined hospital ambulatory care settings where all employees are fully vaccinated and all non-employees are screened prior to entry and people with suspected or confirmed COVID–19 are not permitted to enter those settings;

    1910.502(a)(2)(v)
    Home healthcare settings where all employees are fully vaccinated and all non-employees are screened prior to entry and people with suspected or confirmed COVID–19 are not present;

    1910.502(a)(2)(vi)
    Healthcare support services not performed in a healthcare setting (e.g., off-site laundry, off-site medical billing); or

    1910.502(a)(2)(vii)
    Telehealth services performed outside of a setting where direct patient care occurs.

    Note to paragraph (a)(2). OSHA does not intend to preclude the employers of employees who are unable to be vaccinated from the scope exemption in paragraphs (a)(2)(iv) and (v) of this section. Under various anti-discrimination laws, workers who cannot be vaccinated because of medical conditions, such as allergies to vaccine ingredients, or certain religious beliefs may ask for a reasonable accommodation from their employer. Accordingly, where an employer reasonably accommodates an employee who is unable to be vaccinated in a manner that does not expose the employee to COVID–19 hazards (e.g., telework, working in isolation), that employer may be within the scope exemption in paragraphs (a)(2)(iv) and (v) of this section.

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    1910.502(a)(2)(vii)


    Telehealth services performed outside of a setting where direct patient care occurs.

    Note to paragraph (a)(2). OSHA does not intend to preclude the employers of employees who are unable to be vaccinated from the scope exemption in paragraphs (a)(2)(iv) and (v) of this section. Under various anti-discrimination laws, workers who cannot be vaccinated because of medical conditions, such as allergies to vaccine ingredients, or certain religious beliefs may ask for a reasonable accommodation from their employer. Accordingly, where an employer reasonably accommodates an employee who is unable to be vaccinated in a manner that does not expose the employee to COVID–19 hazards (e.g., telework, working in isolation), that employer may be within the scope exemption in paragraphs (a)(2)(iv) and (v) of this section.


    ...

    There is more, too. Lots of stuff about vaccination.
     
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    As usual, the left believe only words matter. Substance or results are not important.
     
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    Influenced maybe. Ruled would require the force of the law. If Biden didn't make his mandate legally binding, but people do it anyway, you can hardly call that being "ruled".

    Honestly, I think the mandate is pointless. It would be a different story if the vaccines made people immune, but that's not the case. So now it really is about politics, since the vaccines aren't preventing the spread. They are definitely helping those who get the virus avoid serious infections, but they aren't preventing people from getting it.
     
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    just allow people to sue the corps for allowing people to work their unvaccinated, even if they don't work there, kinda like the tx abortion law
     
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    Anyone can sue anyone for any reason. It has always been that way.
     
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    in the past you needed legal standing to sue, TX law changes that

    well, I should say to successfully sue, frivolous lawsuits happen all the time
     
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    I think they are relatively scarce. They are a waste of time and money for a lawyer.
     
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    When one is selling an inferior product that comes with a "take at your own risk" disclaimer, one must resort to deceptive sales tactics. Its not like he can lower the price!!!
     
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    awe man did I forget to send you the memo? We no longer elect el prazidante's in america, we elect 8 year dicktaters, well at least we think we 'elect'.
    yep pound that drum! I just talked to a family of 7, all of whom were properly and sufficiently terrorized to run out and get vaccinated in the last 3 month, and the whole family is down for the count, sick as a dog with covid!

    All these people raggin on me to get the vaccine, I tell them I am naturally immune, they insist anyway, how ****ing stupid can they get? Just think they let these asshelmets out of their cages and they vote!


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    news to me, you always need legal standing, though it does not necessarily need to be a statute.
     
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    ricmortis Well-Known Member

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    The Vaccinated carry this disease just as much as unvaccinated. So, if you are going to get it, your going to get it regardless.
     
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    ricmortis Well-Known Member

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    And I thought Democrats were Pro-Choice. My body, my choice. Can Employers be able to fire people who have abortions now?
     
  20. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They thought so too. They're realizing they just love abortion.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Jeebus god all completely shitty. You STILL don't get it, do you?

    The vaccine ISN"T to protect YOU, it's to protect US FROM you.

    If COVID wasn't so CONTAGIOUS we really wouldn't CARE about people stupid enough to DIE so as not to hurt the feelings of about the most UNFEELING and totally dishonest crook to ever be elected to any office in the entire history of the entire US. The problem isn't just that you're diving off a high cliff but you're strapping us in WITH you.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    But if I'm properly vaccinated I won't DIE from it.
     
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    the rich do not care about that, they use lawyers as weapons to hurt people they don't like
     
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    Brilliant deduction. Lol.
     
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    Yeah 'cause Uncle Joe promised
     
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