Lean girls vs. "full-figured"?

I'm not overly sensitive, but I don't know how this post couldn't be considered offensive by women! Reading posts that discuss whether fat or thin is more preferable is the very essence of offensive - always has, but even more so today when we are supposed to be aware. A fat woman's only saving grace is if she can run up a hill without taking a break every ten minutes. And those who have committed themselves to building a lean and muscular frame are not attractive either. Nor is the woman who is too thin.

I'm certainly not posting this to shame folks, but I do ask that if we must judge people - on a discussion forum - the conversation should revolve around intelligence or the ability to effectively express our opinions - not how we look.

 

I like my broads with either beer or good whiskey. I take em thin, chunky, short, tall, white, black, yellow, red, brown.

 

100% agree. And, I will admit that I was a bit shocked when I saw this thread title. It really bothers me the way we overlook ALL other qualities in women to ONLY focus on her appearance.

Remember when Palin was on the scene? There are threads here about it being acceptable for women to use their sex appeal to get ahead in the workplace (but, of course, the hypocrisy of calling her names still applies). This was usually surrounding Harris being on Biden's ticket.

We all have witnessed this up close for the four years Trump occupied the White House. He actually posted photos of his trophy wife in comparison to Cruz's wife.

Several months ago I commented that a person in my family is exactly like Trump - a pathological liar, manipulator, bully, etc.. I abandoned that thread because people were asking me if she was "hot". So, it's okay to make everyone else's life a living hell if you're hot?

Remember the Terry Schiavo case years ago? I think of her every time I see these kinds of comments.

I didn't intend to cause controversy but I have a daughter (and she is absolutely beautiful). I have NEVER been anywhere with her in which someone did NOT stop us to comment on her looks. NEVER. One time, we went to a petting zoo when she was about 2-3 years old and a woman had a table set up with costume jewelry. She stopped us and told my daughter to put out her arms which she adored with several of the bracelets. I went to reach for my wallet to pay for the items and she brushed me off. I asked her why and she said "She is so beautiful, she can have them." I continued to open my wallet as I said "She doesn't get things for free because she's beautiful. I'm not trying to raise another Paris Hilton." and paid for the bracelets.

Both my children look exactly alike (except my son doesn't have long hair and it happens all the time with both of them. It's ridiculous the way we elevate people based on such superficial standards. I was a model when I younger and people have tried that with me. It's never worked. My goal is for my children to be honest, fair, kind, helpful and loving. We have enough of the other types unleashed on society. I'm not going to be a contributor to that and until more of us get on board with that we are going to continue to see other countries outpace us in just about everything and deservingly so. When style trumps substance, we've brought it upon ourselves.

 

While I agree that physical appearance (to me) is not an especially big consideration, for anything other than who I might gaze at, nevertheless, that is what this thread is about. And, like it or not, both men & women appreciate the looks of one another, and many, probably most, have certain features or attributes which govern the appeal-factor, of any person of the opposite (or same, for homosexual or bisexual tastes) sex. So, I think it is acceptable, in this forum, for people (men) to compare their personal tastes.

I have just not gotten around to it, before now, but I had been intending to make a couple of points that you may appreciate:

1) The most potent physical attribute of a potential love interest, is something that cannot even be seen. That feature, of course, is CHEMISTRY. When that makes a powerful connection, it actually changes the way one sees the person, who is the source of those pheromones (though they haven't yet been detected, in humans; one interesting theory is that the good brain chemicals get released when we are near someone whose immune system is an effective compliment to our own-- which would then give any child created by the two of you, an advantageous genetic heritage-- and that our brains get info about others' immune systems, based on certain chemicals in our sweat).

2) Besides chemistry, a woman's face, IMO, is by far the most enticing, interesting, & enthralling, physical feature. This is because, through her expressions, we have a window into her thoughts & feelings, we glimpse her inner being. That's why I find facial expressiveness, an extremely sexy quality. No matter how nice an ass, it cannot match a face for variety of expression, so cannot hold my interest for as long as an expressive face.

3) Many years ago I read a very interesting poll of teen girls, asking what makes a female attractive. The interesting, and (I think) unpredicted result, was that the answers fell into two categories, which separated along racial lines. White girls, almost all listed physical attributes, like being slim, having certain measurements, and so forth. Black girls, on the other hand, overwhelmingly answered that attractiveness was determined by a female's attitude, meaning the way she carries herself and acts, her personal style. I strongly agree with this point of view.

 

Lean girls look the best, but not too lean, there needs to be some curves. But for sex, I actually like more curves as long as she is a healthy weight. Overweight isn't very visual appealing, I'm overweight too, so I'm not condemning.

 

"Thick" means stupid though.

As for the question, I am team skinny because I am skinny myself.

 

I had this conversation on a bus I was driving for the city of Phoenix, on my express route. I referred to the women on the bus as girls. Like what do you girls think? One woman got upset that I didn't call them ladies, saying I was putting them down. I disagreed, especially the way I used it and asked the woman on the bus if they thought what I said was a put down. No one was offended except the woman who brought it up. Same way with boys. It's not as much what you say, but how you say it. It seems we have a whole new generation that gets offended by almost everything.

 

Given a choice between Kim Kardashian and Ally McBeal I go Kim every time.


But all time perfection;

 

I appreciate your points, but I think you have gone above and beyond. This thread is about fat or thin women and which is preferable. And to bring it down to just that is what I found objectionable.

 

I think you lay out a very strong, & succinct case...
and, as a teen, I had a crush on Lynda Carter, as well.

 

I had a crush on her as a SIX YEAR OLD!

 

My taste was not so well developed, back at that age. It was at that time, I recall, having a dream (which I dare not describe here), involving both of the Robinson's daughters-- Judy & Penny-- from Lost in Space.

 

I wager that 95% of overweight people desperately wish they were lean and athletic.

Medical conditions notwithstanding, it is a terrible joke that society has become obsessed with how people "feel" yet is too cowardly to address the real psychological issues that lead to over-eating. The reason for that is that societies are based on egomania, greed and selfishness (most spectacularly at the pinnacle of societies), which leads to dysfunctional families, which leads to dysfunctional individuals, and no one has the guts to face up to it.

 

Jodie Foster was my childhood crush after seeing Bugsy.
I'm on the slim girl side of the aisle but witty is my favourite quality.

 

Elizabeth Hurley is hands down, the best there is.

 

It may be objectionable, but that does not mean that it doesn't belong on a forum for free speech. There are many threads here, that could be deemed objectionable, to various groups of people: anti-homosexual threads, pro-homosexual rights threads; anti-religion threads; anti-atheism threads; anti-abortion threads; threads supporting abortion rights; not to mention countless threads based on insulting descriptions of people who are on one or the other side of the political spectrum. And that is only my scratching the surface.

With regards to this thread's question, I'll note that it was not necessary to choose one or the other body type, and a couple of us said that we appreciate a woman's beauty coming in many forms. Others said or implied that what they liked was a healthy woman with a "real woman's body," as opposed to that of a fashion model. While one might not like the fact that looks play such a part in attraction, you are, I trust, aware that this is the truth of the matter. And it applies to women, as well as to men. There are certainly women who only like tall men, for example, or who favor muscular men, or even those who insist on any man they are with, having an extra large shoe size, let us say. Further, I would expect that many women find some other anatomical feature, especially appealing in men: washboard abs, a strong jawline, a well-developed back or biceps, or a "nice butt," for instance. So, while I understand that you might assume any vote for thin women, to contain a derogatory implication towards women who are elsewise, or to even be discriminatory (&, in some posts, that may be the case), I think you are overreaching the objective evidence, to suggest that a thread in which men admit a preference for one or another body type, for a woman, is by its nature, & in its entirety, an insult to women. To my mind, this thread is closer to analogous with one asking if men prefer blondes or brunettes. Again, if you were to have an objection to THAT thread, as well, it would seem that your indignation is mostly focused at the way that human beings are, rather than at the thread, itself.

I'll lastly note that even scientists have studied which physical features men find most attractive in women, on the whole (& I would hope that those researchers investigated the inverse). Although, this may be a difference between the sexes, that each values different things in the other. I think that anthropologists, or psychologists, have said that men subconsciously value things they associate with a woman's fertility, and with a maternal nature, while women are more concerned with a man's ability to be a good provider, and defender. Obviously, in both men and women, these are only very general proclivities, with lots of individual exceptions.

 

THERE IT IS ... the "when a woman complains, pat her on the head and tell her she's being overly sensitive....and assume she has her period and is emotional"

The same CRAP woman have been handed since one ever dared speak up about anything from unfair pay to being beaten freely by their husbands....


Hey , MJ Davies wasn't that poster so nice when they "OK'd" your feminism....how effing condescending of him

 

Well, you are apparently NOT a feminist, at least of the Gloria Steinem variety, because they did not advocate for different standards for men & women. I agreed w/ MJ that if the word "girls,'' was being used to in some way diminish the women being referred to, then that was something to complain about. But, I said, to apply that complaint to all instances of the use of this terminology, seemed overly-sensitive (note, in what you had quoted from my post, the words, "when applied generally"). Apparently, according to you, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a woman to actually BE over-sensitive? That comment, from a man, is never justified, huh (because only men are over-sensitive)?

I well-explained my thinking, but you were not an especially competent reader, to believe that this was my "patting (MJ) on the head...assuming(ing) she has her period and is emotional." I, of course, neither said, nor implied any such thing. And as I know you are familiar with my posts, you should have recognized that my method of explaining my reasoning, in this one, did not differ from when I disagree with anyone else, on any other topic. If this is not the case, please cite the actual quote(s) in which I am treating MJ as a menstruating woman, instead of just someone with whom I disagree on what is an over-generalization, in my eyes, that the person is making.

And, to tell it the way it clearly looks, you, in fact, with your falsehood-laced reply, are actually responding to my post in an emotional way. The only, "crap," here, is your allegation that I am being, "effing condescending," and your laughable equating of any instance of women being referred to as, "girls," with, "unfair pay (and) being beaten freely by their husbands." And yet, were I to term that an hyperbolic, counter-factual, emotion-driven response, that would be proof of my misogyny-- is that how you think it works?

I will point out that you did not even address any of my arguments, much less show them to be invalid, and only so much patriarchal bulls**t. This is a weakness I would point out in the lack of anyone's counter-argument; don't fantasize that I am treating you any differently for gender-based reasons.

MJ had claimed that this use of the word "girls," to apply to women, was unlike the practice, with men. I gave examples, showing that this is not the case. That is why this is not automatically something pernicious, but would be dependent upon the circumstance in question, IMO. Feel free to debate that idea, when you have regained enough of your composure to be able to do so, without resorting to trying to smear me with false charges, that paint me as monstrously chauvinistic.

Here are some other examples of this practice, of referring to adult men, with the term for a male child, that are not interpreted as being disrespectful.

-Police: "boys in blue;"
-"Our boys in the military;"
-Air Force pilots: "Fly-boys;"
-Navy: "Sailor-boy"
-Intelligence Services (FBI): "The boys down at the bureau." (from film Being There).
-All men: "Boys will be boys."

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
THERE IT IS ... the "when a woman complains, pat her on the head and tell her she's being overly sensitive....and assume she has her period and is emotional"

The same CRAP woman been handed since one ever dared speak up about anything from unfair pay to being beaten freely by their husbands....


Hey , MJ Davies wasn't that poster so nice when they "OK'd" your feminism....how effing condescending of him

Could you please show in the post of mine you quoted where I posted the word "girls" or "girl" ?

I can't find it.

I addressed your entire "argument" with :



""THERE IT IS ... the "when a woman complains, pat her on the head and tell her she's being overly sensitive....and assume she has her period and is emotional"

The same CRAP woman been handed since one ever dared speak up about anything from unfair pay to being beaten freely by their husbands....


Hey , MJ Davies wasn't that poster so nice when they "OK'd" your feminism....how effing condescending of him """""


But I must've hit a sensitive nerve...

 

Physical attraction is always a primitive first impression but I have met some women, who, once they start talking are just pure "sexy" . Personality matters.

 

Bingo.

 

How come this thread is only about women? Can’t we talk a little at least about guys too?



I mean there is this versus

 

Mmmm, I do love me some moobs...

 

Judy was a conventional beauty, Penny had the whole Winnie Cooper thing going on.

My name is Tulula, my first rule of thumb, don't ask where I'm going, or where I've come from.

 

No doubt.

I was strolling across campus the other day and all I saw were students waddling about.

Seriously, it was like being in Weeble-Wobble Land. Everyone stomps around rocking side-to-side because they're too fat to walk.