Hi Ladies, kiss your sports goodbye!

Come on, I know trans are participating.
You said the sports are forced. What is forcing them?

What law has forced them to allow trans athletes?

Your link shows the sports are not forced. For a trans was not permitted to participate. That backs up my point, not yours of force.

 

What’s really sad is that we even discuss things like this
We should have colonized Mars by now with this new woke garbage we are focusing on other scientific matters, like is the penis a male or female organ for example
Explain to me why the term “progressive” is tied to the left? I don’t think getting dumber and dumber equates to “progress”

 

No one is arguing that a penis is not a male sexual characteristic. Where did you get that idea?

 

I have more than demonstrated degrees of force being used. Trans athletes should be the ones forced to decide between the sport and their chosen identity. Forcing female athletes to choose between competing against biological men or giving up their sport does not resemble equality, justice, or sportsmanship.

Feel free to disagree, meanwhile ratings are already a disaster and this is not likely to be an issue when it just isn't worth it for organizers and athletes anymore.

In my view, these are cheaters, not champions.

 

You've demonstrated nothing about force, except your opinion.

The only link you provided, here: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...sa-powerlifting-over-competition-ban-n1253960

Is about a lawsuit because a trans was not allowed to participate.
So, you have shown no force at all for sports to allow trans. They do so at their own doing.

 

You are currently in a thread on the issue. I hope that you always have the luxury of viewing lawsuits that way. Most of us view it as a degree of force.

If you are having trouble understanding my position, lets make the athlete your daughter. She wakes up early and trains hard to excel in her sport. It is her passion and when she takes the field/ring/etc, you see a big smile on her face doing what she loves.

A decision is made to put her up against a bio male competitor. Lets use this one as an example:



What are your options?

 

I am not aware of males competing against females in most sports. Trans are allowed in some. And the governing bodies of those sports have allowed that and it is known ahead of any sport event. The rules are written before said match is to begin.
What is that one example? You posted a picture and nothing to state what the picture is about.

But to play your game, I would ask my daughter if she wants to compete this tournament or sit it out. Her choice.
If I were against the idea of a trans in the sport, I would have been active in the meeting process to state my opinion while the rules committee(s) are debating the topic.

Do you have a lawsuit that forced a sport to allow trans competitors? And based on what criteria did a judge rule the allowance of said trans?

 

You are aware, but choose not to view them as males. That is a position of luxury as your view is not from the ring/field/etc.

In your own example, you were forced to decide to compete against a bio male or forfeit. I believe that burden should be on the shoulders of the trans athlete.

Now that our positions are clear, lets let this play out and discuss results as they happen. When it comes to womens sports, ratings were already plummeting and I don't see adding bio males to the competition helping. Over time, fewer women will be willing to compete against bio men and these sports will fade over time.

 

Trans people should have their own competitions so that it's fair. They have too big an advantge in highjacking women's events.

 

A trans person is not male. If in transition to female or already have transitioned. You choose to view them as males, incorrectly.
My view is based on the field that deals with trans people.

It wasn't my example it was yours without any details. Just a pic of a boy. And I said, males don't compete against females, in most sports especially if physical contact is involved. Although, I've known girls who have played boys HS football.

No bio males are being added to competition. At least you've provided no evidence that is happening or happened.

You speak of a male competing in one sentence and the next refer to a trans athlete. Can you be consistent so it is understood what you are talking about?

 

Some day that could happen.

 

sorry they are still males. You come on here doing mental gymnastics and try to be slick with words to avoid the obvious.
Sad!
If someone wants to identify as a woman I’ll play ball and refer to them however they like to be referred to as but when it comes to sports, NO.

 

Silly. It's not my personal words or belief. But that of the world that deals with trans issues. So your bad ad hom is useless.

If you run a sports organization, you can do as all the others do. Make the rules of their sports and organization.

...
Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity, gender expression or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth. Gender identity refers to a person’s internal sense of being male, female or something else; gender expression refers to the way a person communicates gender identity to others through behavior, clothing, hairstyles, voice or body characteristics.
https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/transgender

 

More gymnastics huh?
Copying and pasting definitions does not address the physical advantages “persons with penises “ have over “persons with vaginas”
Ladies and gents, this is what liberal denial looks like!

 

You are far from correct. I view and address them in a manner that shows respect. We are discussing how I view them as athletes. Their own view of femininity is a product of their environment. Make up and dresses may be considered feminine here, while in other parts of the world, an elongated head and neck is the accepted image of femininity.

Once you put them in the ring/field/etc, it is no longer about image. Beneath that image is a bio male with an unfair advantage. The pic I posted is a trans female wrestler. Ironic that you called her a boy in the same post claiming I view them as males incorrectly.

In the end, how we view them is irrelevant. The only relevant issue is the level of strength, stamina, striking power, bone density, etc. It is an unfair advantage. There is a reason the entire discussion is about trans athletes assigned male at birth.

 

I have no interest in your interest of penis's
The sports organizations make their own eligibility rules.

Ladies and gents, this is what control freaks righties are like.

My way is the only way. And worried about so many different penises.
And they don't even watch those sports.

 

The pic was a boy. I saw no bio in your pic.

If at time of competition, he had transitioned, he is no longer a boy.
But a trans female.
You need to keep definitions straight in order to have productive debates.

Which competition did that trans you posted about compete in?
What are the rules of that sports organization?

I always default to the rules of the sport that competition takes place. Their sport, their rules.

 

So no real comment on the advantages bio ken have over bio women when it comes to sports huh?

 

I did. Sentence 2 in my reply.

 

You saw a boy in the pic I posted. The issue is not the image you see; it is the unfair advantage trans athletes have. That is the debate.

 

Serena Williams is a big bodied tennis player. She has an unfair advantage over many other tennis players.

Caster semrnya is a female with extremely high testosterone naturally. She has issues competing in events.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/caster-semenya

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I let the sports governing body determine their sport rules.

 

Since they are not basing their rules on random people on an internet forum, "let them decide" is not an argument. If they decide to allow bio males to break female skills, I don't have to agree of view these cheaters as champions.

 

No one says you have to.

Life is not fair. And my 2 cases above show that.
I am no expert, so I leave it to the governing bodies of each sport.

 

So we will part ways and observe results as they develop. Ratings are already in the crapper and this will only make things worse. It will only lead to fewer opportunities for women.

 

You hate that they satirized absurdity? It's kind of their job.

Well, the good news is we can finally get rid of Title IX!!!