Situation in Central Europe (crisis on the border with BELARUS

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  1. aspagnito

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    Sports is just... sports. It will resolve no international conflicts.

    Sports is like sex. GREAT to DO... not much to WATCH.
     
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    Just me here, but MAYBE there would have been no WWII if we'd sat on the sidelines during WWI and let the Europeans do what they did best in history up to that point, slaughter each other with reckless abandon. Although investing in exports of high-octane vodka to Eastern Europe might not be a bad idea. ;)
     
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    As it should be. Sport- the great equalizer.
     
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    So what do you like to watch, war movies?
     
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    We got into the war when Japan attacked us... not anyone in Europe.
     
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    I like historical movies... old ones like "Louis Pasteur", "Madame Curie", and "Dr Ehrlich's Magic Bullet". But, as a career Soldier, I must admit I do like war movies too. "13 Rue Madeleine" is my favorite movie (I'm a big fan of James Cagney... actually met him once).
     
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    So you like murder and death. Nice.
     
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    No one dies in a movie. If you believe movies are real, Star Wars must have scared you silly. And don't watch any horror movies, you'll have a heart attack because they are "real".
     
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    Yeah, he's all that and also very naive, like all of us. But he's proud to be born in Poland, so don't make those "intellectual trips" anymore.

    There you go. . . there's a problem with the prime minister and the president. They simply let Putin trick them. How? Yesterday Putin began to withdraw from the Polish-Belarusian border. And Putin, like Putin, will say that it is not him and that it is one big misunderstanding. Nothing has changed in this regard since Soviet times. What did Putin do? NATO has already said that Putin simply wanted to see if NATO could respond quickly, and "ours," meaning the Poles - are already happy that Putin was scared off by Polish diplomacy with centuries of tradition. Well, who wouldn't be afraid. There is a catch to this, however.

    Putin has destabilized the political situation in Poland. It has lulled the vigilance of seasoned politicians because Poland has had terrible foreign policy problems in recent times. In fact, I don't know why the EU, Russia, Belarus, USA, Germany, Israel, the Czech Republic. . . the list goes on and on. You can dislike the Polish government, but this is a slight exaggeration. No one likes us and a great many countries are loudly manifesting this. For the average bread kneader, this is not surprising. Poland is impossible to dislike. All in all, we are "the most nationalistic country in the world" (by the way - the head of the skinheads in my town walks down the street listening to 50Cent - and this is how this "racism in Polish" looks everywhere). And now Poland will even play against Russia in the play-offs - although everyone knows that Lewandowski cannot be beaten, everyone also knows that the Russians have been using sick doping for centuries and no one has ever done anything to them for it. Yes - "We will show these naive Poles where they belong!".

    Well, that's where it's buried. Because in big politics, my dears, nothing happens by accident. Poland has a bit too many problems on the international stage and in foreign policy for this to be a coincidence. However, no one from the US will make a phone call to our President about this, which is a shame. . . . because that's all it is.

    Well, what happened? What's all the fuss about? Well, my dear "comrade", that Poland, being in a ridiculous conflict with the EU (we always have to stand up to everyone - to Stalin and Hitler, and now to all the rest - SHAME!!!) stated with the help of the Constitutional Tribunal (and here it was necessary to put to sleep the vigilance) that there is no problem. So much so that, as we have stated and this finally settles the matter, no Pole can now appeal to the EU's court of human rights. Hence, Poland is no longer a democratic, independent state that respects human rights. So what? Well, Putin is already rubbing his hands. Because now my dears, Isreal didn't sell us the Pegasus surveillance system (because of this) and the opposition wants a political coup and "new elections". And since there is a state of emergency in Poland and elections cannot be held within 90 days of a state of emergency, there will be this "board of commissioners". Who it will consist of. From Donald Tusk, idolized by the opposition (anti-conservative - it's not a big deal for anyone, it doesn't hurt anyone).

    But Donald... but this Donald doesn't even need to be paid for allying himself with Putin, because he has done it many times before and it is known that he will do it now. The rest of the politicians? They are "out of nowhere" politicians, and therefore people from the basement. This in turn means for Putin that for a pat on the back from Tusk he will enter Poland, he will deploy here chemical and biological weapons, he will collect the bodies and thanks to Polish structures he will move to the west of Europe and then by sea to the USA. Everyone will let him do it because he is guaranteed nuclear superiority in the world by 2050.
    And you know what the funniest thing about all this is? That Tusk is making political capital on Twitter today because he got a speeding ticket and a scandal was made out of it, and Tusk has become a hostage of the ruling party, its media and the biggest of the martyrs RIGHT NOW. Not in February, not in March. . . NOW! It's a bit of a coincidence.

    But one phone-call would solve the thing ma' friends:
    The point is that it is now no longer possible to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, and therefore Poland can no longer be considered an independent state where the citizens are free. The current solution should be abolished, even though it 'fixes' the problem of our conflict with the EU, and a better solution should be introduced.

    Namely, in its most recent case law, the CJEU has recognized the protection of the national identity of the Member States as a premise justifying a limitation of the scope of application of the principle of primacy. Thus, the Court has allowed the requirement to protect national identity to turn the hitherto absolute principle of primacy into a relative one, which allows Member States in certain situations to invoke their constitutional values in order to derogate from the primacy of EU law.

    Well, here's the solution itself. The problems in the foreign policy of the Republic of Poland cannot be an accident. USA, EU, Russian Federation, Belarus, Germany, Israel are only selected elements that make up some kind of a whole. Yes - you may not like our government, but in big politics, nothing happens by accident. Just like the fact that exactly we with exactly the Russians will play in the play-offs ;)

    Another words - just because it cannot be a coincidence that nobody likes us (in big politics nothing is a coincidence) we may say we protect our national vallues and because of that the EU law is not prime over ours - just one phone call to these min... ...rds
     
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    Bet you play shooters online too
     
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    To most Americans, a question about Poland will evoke a response like "What's a Poland?" Poland is as important in the general scheme of things to most Americans as Sri Lanka. But I understand the significance and importance of Poland. That great sausage will stand forever as a beacon of hope to folks watching baseball and football games.
     
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    I don't even know what "shooters online" is. My first computer was a sliderule.
     
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    Respectfully, you're beginning to sound like the whiners in Ukraine that just want hand-outs from American taxpayers. If you want to be free, leave the EU. If you want your borders protected, do it yourself. If you don't want to piss off Russia, don't allow NATO to place missiles on the border with Russia.....and last time I checked Poland borders Russia.

    And I find it ironic that throughout history, Poland has invaded Russia just how many times? 3? And 2 attempted coups IIRC.
     
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    I think Mr. Baldwin just killed somebody on a movie set last month. Does that count?
     
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    No... it wasn't IN the movie.
     
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    Poland would have served NATO better as a "buffer" between Russia and Western Europe, not as a member which would one day have to be defended by NATO members.

    Worldwide crisis? I don't see that happening because of Poland.

    That would be a cool story if it was true.
     
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    Wasn't Poland and Ukraine involved in the coup against Lukashenko so they could turn it into a second Maidan? Of course Poland is going to assume that Belarus and even Russia wants to do the same thing. It's called projection.

    Poland should get over its paranoia and talk with Lukashenko to find out what's going on, because from what I read it's the Turkish planes that are bringing the migrants into Belarus. The other EU airlines have been banned from going to Minsk. There's a lot more here than meets the eye, because Turkey has threatened Greece with 8 million migrants.





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    Projection, projection, it's what some do.
    and others of course will think it's true,
    not knowing we're seeing ourselves in you.

    Yet in the past it's been the case
    of nations who've fallen far from Grace,
    of starting the wars that we might face.


    But it doesn't always have to be so
    and end in tears and cries and woe.
    It could end right now - like this verse.

    - Jeannette


     
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    I'm a firm believer in individual and sovereign rights, the smaller a government the better, so stick to your guns Poland, and the hell with the EU.

    That said, Poland's main problem is that it's controlled by the neo-cons who have only one purpose and that is to overthrow Vladimir Putin and break up the Russian Federation. Since Russia controls 1/3 of the world's natural wealth, the neo con ideologues consider Putin a detriment to the One World Government that they envision.

    Poland is useful to the ideologues only as a front line adversary to the Russian Federation, and one who is willing to take the brunt of a full scale war.
     
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    Poland is free ....better than some former Warsaw Pact....where you had KGB snitches around every corner.

    Piss off "mordor"..."Mafialand"..."gastation",etc....advice for asiatic mafia....stay on your side of fence....and if we do "piss off" Botox pimp chimp.....whats "mordor" going to do about....other than trouser full of hemmoroids?

    Poland borders Muscovia?....you mean Konigsberg?....that POS chunk of land where 80% of residents do their shopping and entertainment in not free EU....LOL.

    Thats old German territory....theres enough firepower in Baltics and Poland to walk in and take it....turn it back to the Krauts where it could be vibrant and productive like it used to be. It must suck for the Russkis to be constantly "locked on" flying through Nato airspace.

    I heard the sewers were all finally fully unplugged from decades ago when Soviet conscripts were informed by an educated Soviet general that toilets were for doing your "business" not for washing your feet or potatoes.
     
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    I don't think Poland is a free nation. I came across something once that gave me the impression that if Poland doesn't do exactly what the neo cons want, they will be hit with a lawsuit in the hundreds of billions - which I assume is over the ownership of land and property in Warsaw stemming back to WWII.

    I read somewhere recently that if the US can break up the Russian Federation it will enrich the US something like 70%. If the intent was really just to enrich the US, Washington wouldn't have started its demonizing and sanctions, but would have worked with Russia before Moscow started developing their own resources.

    As for Putin, I know he only does what is productive for Russia and its people - and even now he said if Kiev can come up with a competitive alternative to stopping the gas from flowing through Ukraine, he will consider it. If though Kiev does invade Donetsk and Lugansk, then it becomes a humanitarian issue, and there is no way Vladimir Putin will allow them to kill off the people the way they did the Poles in WWII.

    Anyway, if the neo cons want a war with Russia, which obviously they do, it doesn't mean that Americans will do the fighting. The fighting will be done by its neighbors; thus, the arms buildup in Ukraine.
     
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    Well, if we could scribble out Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran, we could reduce our military budget by a ton.
    But, if wishes and hopes…
     
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    Technically it is true.
     
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    They would only be replaced by the next "enemy". Enemy being "anybody who wont allow colonialism"
     

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