I surrender and admit - There IS institutional racism in America

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Not really exfelons black or white will have to wade through a bunch of crap to get a ligitimate job but their own actions are responsible for that.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    While I can't entirely disagree with that assumption, the fact of the matter is that all governments are corrupt and corrupting because all human beings are inherently imperfect and adding power to government only makes things worse.
     
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    I'm curious to know what steps the OP would like see to correct this injustice.
     
  4. Mike12

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    Be a color blind society, focus on merit/value system, treat everyone equally. How's that?

    Kyle Rittenhouse had a gun and random people attacked him. White/black doesn't matter here, it's self-defense VS murder

    Cops shoot and kill twice as many whites as blacks. Have we seen any coverage of whites being killed? How about media treats this as cops vs citizens, give as much attention when a white, asian, black person is killed.

    Parents are concerned about what their kids are being taught in school? This is a parent-child-edu thing, not a racial thing

    Jan 6th was a riot. So were the many riots during the summer, blacks shouldn't get a pass to be violent and burn cities down but whites face the full wrath of DOJ when they riot

    DE&I - Take race out of the equation, whoever is the best, that person should get the job

    universities - may the best applicant get the job

    when military takes out terrorists, it's not a racial thing, it's a question of whether military should be killing enemies, or not

    Border - not about race, it's about vetting who enters country and respecting the laws

    Travel bans. Not about race, it's about protecting Americans from covid and terror

    How about politicians stop using race to explain every god darn issue and they believe driving a wedge between races has political value?
     
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    "I surrender and admit - There IS institutional racism in America"

    sure there is, black judges and white judges even
     
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    Poder Boricua
     
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    If there is a glass ceiling it must be set above POTUS.
     
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    So the step is stop talking about or considering race.

    Your OP would seem counterproductive then, but fair enough
     
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    I don't know of any law that does that directly. However the selective enforcement of laws and selective choices we label things by is another thing. The refusal to call a burning city the result of a riot, calling rioters peaceful protestors and failing to prosecute for example is an expression of institutional racism- giving the primary participants not only a pass on prosecution, but an encouragement to repeat it elsewhere.

    Any time this happens by law or by practice, it's wrong. Point is that virtually all of that I see is by practice, not code law. If that is institutionalized, it's within the concepts of some ideologies rather than the laws of the nation.

    There are those who distort the facts to make things appear that way- such as the disproportionate number of black incarcerations. They just conveniently ignore the disproportionate number of black criminals.
    Most differentials I've seen come from conduct and choices, not the practice of racism. Blaming the system is a way of saying you are entitled, and shouldn't have to earn what you want; therefore neither you nor your conduct is responsible for the consequences of your actions; society is to blame. How convenient.

    "Every person should be treated equally under the law, without regard to their race." Absolutely. No persecution, no exemptions on that basis.
     
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    Anyone who has not been discriminated against in some way or other raise your hand. Yeah, I thought so, I see no hands.
     
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    Interesting. Name one thing a person of color cannot accomplish due to racism:
     
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    Unfettered Capitalism is just as bad as overblown Socialism. Free enterprise is different from the Free Market.
     
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    Legislation that advances "affirmative action" is a perfect example of what you describe, and it's been around for quite a long while.
     
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    well, if we were to adopt the liberal approach, all of us have been discriminated against

    think every job you haven't been able to get

    every time a cop has stopped you

    every time you have been looked at strange by a person of opposing race

    Playing the race card is easy, we can all claim we have been victims of racism if we use race to explain every challenge we have had, every failure under our belt. Looking at it this way, we have all been victims of racism.

    That's the point, it's actually pretty f easy to blame racism on all our failures. What's not easy is look at ourselves in the mirror and admit 'Hold on, it's my behavior, my actions'.

    'Oh i don't get that job' Racism!
    'Oh i didn't get accepted in this college' Racism!
    'Oh, this cop has stopped me' Racism!
    'Oh, this cop was mean to me' Racism!
    'Oh, why is she/she above me' Racism!
    'Oh, why did he/she say that to me' Racism!


    one of he easiest things to do in life is blame racism on all our failures. Man, that is f easy!
     
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    Law of averages POC encounter more discriminatory situations. Yes, life is getting better, hence their confidence to speak out. This is a symptom of improvement.
     
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    Yes, to an extent. Options are limited by the development of the nervous system, which is largely influenced by the environment.
     
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    I agree that ( by comparison to Australia) POTUS has too much power. Possibly the Feds as well.
     
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    Surely you have an independently validated source you're happy to cite backing up your assertion.
     
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    Blacks were once ridiculed for bringing up facts about segregation as well.
     
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    Affirmative Action? Tax/zoning breaks and incentives for black/hispanic owned business? Hiring quotas based on race? There are dozens such laws. All institutional racism. The more we insist on rewarding, penalizing, or even recognizing race in our institutions, the less hope we have to ever become a colorblind society.

    Selective enforcement based on race is another thing. It's a problem that must be addressed, but it's not "institutionalized racism", in my opinion, unless it is mandated by policy. A racist cop choosing to focus his effort beating down people he hates is different than a department policy that directs enforcement to certain neighborhoods based on racial profiling. One is "institutional", one is not, in my opinion.
     
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    Most of the day to day governing in this country is done by a huge multi level bureacracy with no clear chain of command or lines of demarcation. Hell we don't even know exactly how many federal agencies there are except for more than 43 and less than or equal to 56. And all states have there own equivalent and most major cities do as well. They not infrequently work at cross purposes.

    In the main they generate little more friction, heat, very little light, and gallons of mostly pointless red tape.
     
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    But we know the solution, but the bureaucracy has spent the last fifty years engaged in a systematic destruction of it.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Because reality changes.
     
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    That's on the voters.
     

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