Why is the US the most criminally violent ''First World'' nation of all?

Could doing the duty of masculinity be characterized as toxic, simply by being masculine? I.e. hunting = violence, war = bullying?

I think two concepts are being blended, and masculinity isn't the correct term.

 

Interesting, What is the correct term then?

 

I have been to nine of those countries and lived in four. The "cultural" diversity claimed for them is a flimsy and shallow construct.

 

Bullying. Violence. Self destruction. Why the need for insulting masculinity to make the point that those things are wrong?

As a masculine male, it would appear that aspect is being attacked.

Nobody says "toxic feminism", but rather respond to the actual behavior that is unacceptable.

 

Nope. Opposition to such resettlement cuts across party lines.

 

Or Windsor, which is right across on the other side of the river on the Canadian side of the border from Detroit.

They are practically like part of the same city. The only thing that separates them is a bridge and a border checkpoint.

(Of course this example probably isn't going to hold for long)

 

These do-gooding fools are so determined to exercise their own egos, that they can't see the blindingly obvious flaw in the idea. IE that if you simply give that nice cushy middle class life to people, instead of learning 'ambition and hard work pays off', they will learn the opposite.

 

We were a frontier country, and frontier violence has been in the culture from the beginning. See, for example, Blood and Treasure: Daniel Boone and the Fight for America's First Frontier.

 

Right at the top of Google. How lazy can you be? Here’s your crow. Eat well. The fact you couldn’t be bothered to spend 2 seconds and look for yourself means you couldn’t give a crap.

“According to the FBI, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019, with whites 41.1%, and "Other" 3.0% in cases where the race was known. Among homicide victims in 2019 where the race was known, 54.7% were black or African-American, 42.3% were white, and 3.1% were of other races.”

So when you account per capita it’s even more disturbing. Plenty more here.
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

 

How do they end up in prison if they are never prosecuted? Think about what you say.

My points were about education and poverty, but if you want to talk about something else, then go right ahead. Are you kidding me?

 

Lots of other countries would be more violent than the US if they were considered "First World".
And that's why the US stands as an anomaly. Because it has a higher overall average standard of living than most countries in the world.

What we're really taking about is it's the intersection of wealth and violence that makes the US so unique.
There are many violent countries, some much more violent than the US, and there are many wealthy countries, but it just so happens the US combines both.

 

I've heard the term used for feminism.. ANYTHING can be toxic

You've not heard of "machismo" as a pernicious factor in Latin American culture and governments? It's seen as a major reason for many of their governmental difficulties. It makes them seek "strong" men to rule them. This is what I mean by toxic masculinity

 

I believe the homicide rate of African Americans is about 220/million. The homicide rate of Tanzania is about 244/million.

A small sample of machete episodes from Tanzania.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/murder...kles-witchcraft-killings-20150124-12xaog.html

https://news.un.org/en/story/2015/0...y-albinism-strongly-condemned-un-rights-chief

https://www.helpage.org/what-we-do/rights/womens-rights-in-tanzania/womens-rights-in-tanzania/

https://www.maravipost.com/another-tanzanian-opposition-politician-killed-with-machetes-at-his-home/

 

Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark.

Its a different kind of place for sure, but I can pretty much guarantee it would be worse if everyone had a gun.

Talking about Tanzania, their anti-mask president declared that three days of prayer had destroyed Covid is their country and everyone was safe. Soon after he fell ill and died from symptoms matching Covid, but they deny it had anything to do with it.

 

Machismo is a much better term.

And I know you didn't create the "toxic masculinity" phrase, just pointing out that it doesn't make sense to achieve the criticism that is deserved.

 

They are already more violent than African Americans. The small arms per 100 persons is 0.8-1 in Tanzania. So yes, much lower than the US. What is it about Tanzanians that makes you think they are more violent than US African Americans? What would make them more violent still if they had more firearms?

Would it surprise you to learn as firearms have become common arms worldwide, violent deaths have fallen DRAMATICALLY?

 

Name some examples. Vast majority if countries where guns are common (like Switzerland), have very different gun laws compared to our. Its almost impossible to get a carry licensee in Switzerland, or Finland. How does a gun locked in a safe reduce violent deaths dramatically? Knowing Finnish people, a gun under every belt would almost certainly lead to drunken shoot-outs.

I support the right of law abiding citizens right to own guns (and own many myself), but I do not believe more guns = less crime.

 

I’m talking about globally. It’s very difficult to compare countries. Consider the strict gun laws in Mexico. They don’t prevent firearm violence.

Here is a good site on global violence decreasing.
https://slides.ourworldindata.org/war-and-violence/#/1

From the man who has spent more time studying history of violence than anyone alive.

The world saw the beginning of drastic declines in violent deaths at the same time firearms began to be used. From Europe:





Here’s an interesting read that fleshes out the correlation between firearm proliferation and decreased violence.

https://economics.wm.edu/wp/cwm_wp158.pdf

Not only do firearms make the weak more equal to the strong at the personal level (crime prevention), they make citizens more equal with rulers and have allowed peaceful democracy to flourish where once tribalism and monarchy resulted in much higher rates of violent death.

 

Mexico? Well, according to your argument the increase in guns in MX should have reduced their murder rates, but the exact opposite has happened.

Ok, but that does not support your argument that its because there are more guns.

You are looking back to 1300? That's absurd. Ever heard of "correlation does not imply causation".

How would they even know what the homicide rate was in the violent middle ages aka medieval period in Europe (which also included parts of the "dark ages)? That was the time period when Europe was re-arranging its borders, and war and lawlessness ruled for almost 1000 years. Violent death was routine. And you think the introduction of the firearm ended it?

 

I’ve never made the argument more guns always equals less murder. You can quote me if you think I have. I’m pointing out there are MANY more metrics to violence than just presence of firearms. Some of the most armed states in the US have the lowest murder rates. Vermont is one. Doesn’t prove more guns equals less crime.

That’s why I linked to a 40 page working paper showing how the correlation of firearms to decreased violence in Europe fits better than any other hypothesis.

That’s why I specifically avoid using the term causation. Yes, to examine history we sometimes must go back to 1300 before firearms were prevalent. LOL. How do you learn from history without going back to 1300 or 1600 or 1997?

LOL. We don’t. Harvard researchers and Our World in Data just make it all up!

JK
Studying history is how we learn about the past.

 

In the meanwhile in Miami, the increase in guns leads to increase in violence.

Straw-gun buying at licensed shops fuels violent crime in South Florida, authorities say
Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/article256219532.html#storylink=cpy

On a warm Memorial Day evening, a gunman jumped out of a white sedan and shot two young men as they were walking home in North Miami. Edson Dorce, 21, was killed and his friend wounded — two victims of gun violence in what had been a flurry of shootings over the long holiday weekend. More than 18 bullet casings were found at the scene, along with a firearm believed to have been used in the drive-by fatal shooting of Dorce, who was struck in the chest. The weapon had been purchased a month earlier on April 28, 2021, at the federally licensed Gun World of South Florida in Deerfield Beach, according to federal authorities.

The buyer of that firearm was Amador Aulet III, who claimed on an official federal form that he was purchasing the weapon for himself — a lie, authorities say. Although no one has been arrested in the North Miami murder investigation, Aulet has been charged federally with making a false statement on the form because prosecutors say he did not purchase the unidentified firearm for himself. He is suspected of selling it to someone else with a criminal past, possibly the perpetrator in the North Miami fatal shooting

Authorities say that Aulet is the epitome of a “straw” gun buyer, who until now had no criminal history and could pass a background check while purchasing multiple weapons and ammunition from federally licensed firearm shops in South Florida. He is suspected of selling the guns for hundreds or thousands of dollars apiece to other people with a criminal past
Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/article256219532.html#storylink=cpy

 

If "more guns = less murder" is not your argument, then why say this:

So, you dont think that the end of the middle-ages and establishing governments and rule of law had anything to do with it?

 

Read in the Fake news feed (that I can not replace) that a Chicago bus driver was beat by around 21 "youths". While this behavior as long since failed to surprise me. I just wonder how much longer it will be before "youths" is banned like the "n-word" has been banned? (tho' the use of the n-word is acceptable if you have the "right" skin color)

 

How dishonest your post is.
Where's the link between poverty and crime? That is the topic that is being pushed.

Whites commit the same level of violent crime as blacks with poverty between them being equal. Eat your own crow. And try to stick to the facts of crime and poverty having a common theme..
It is widely known that blacks are one of the most impoverished groups in the country.
Now don't be so lazy and provide stats based on income levels.


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  For the period 2008-12-
• Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
• Persons in poor households had a higher rate of violence involving a firearm (3.5 per 1,000) compared to persons above the FPL (0.8-2.5 per 1,000).
• The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
• Poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000).
• Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
• Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm/conte...i/content/data/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

 

Ah, someone has been watching FOX, because that is how they made is sound like.

Truth: Bus driver was assaulted up by a 15 yr of boy and girl, while 21 were arrested in separate incidents.