The Mainstream Media Is Losing The Fight Of Its Life...All Thanks To Joe Rogan

I have posted the same quotes multiple times.

You fail to acknowledge the quotes.

 

Of course it mutated. Who said it didn’t? But efficacy of Covid vaccines decreases with time even on the alpha and delta variants. It’s just the way it is. Again, stating FACTS is not ripping on science.

The influenza virus mutates. Some years the influenza vaccine is 10% effective (CDC numbers) and some years it’s 60%. We don’t claim on the 10% years that influenza vaccines don’t prevent infection. Is the CDC ripping on science when they report a 10% effectiveness for a flu season? LOL

I’ve provided studies showing these statements by you are false.

Please quote where I’ve stated unvaccinated aren’t hospitalized at higher rates. Go ahead. You are engaging in strawman fallacy.

The studies I’ve presented show Vitamin D does “help against the AIDS virus”. They show vitamin D and other healthy practices ARE a “shield against a possible infection”. I have provided evidence for all my claims. You have provided evidence for NONE of your claims.

LOL. You really should read your links.

Since delta variant wasn’t dominant in the UK until June and not until July in the US, the vast majority of studies in your meta analysis were of effectiveness on alpha.

Yes, your meta analysis is of early trial data and other early studies on people vaccinated in December 2020 through June 2020.

Sorry, no. That’s not at all the study design. This study was to determine WHY the uninfected individuals were uninfected. It’s EXACTLY designed to determine HOW vitamin D prevents HIV infection. LOL.

 

CNN still has an audience?

 

This is just getting dumb.
There is nothing odd that the efficiency of a vaccine decreases over time.
And that a vaccine works less efficient on a mutated virus, seems utterly logical.

I quoted what the studies say. And they are not saying what you are claiming.

You're disputing the efficiency of the vaccine, while we all know that the unvaxxed are punching massive above their weight with getting carried in the hospitals. Among those, there is a big group who like you put their trust in fakebook and thinking vitD would prevent it. It doesn't. We all know how it plays out. And so it's just getting dumb to call that FACT a strawman.

Yeah.. "help"... as in it causes problems and it helps against it. Nowhere does it say you be immune to get infected.
You got zero numbers on it.

There is no such thing as "early trial data" for the people who got vaxxed till June 2020. Even you posted a source saying:
- BNT162b2 effectiveness reached its peak at 77.5% (95% CI, 76.4 to 78.6) in the first month after the second dose.
- Effectiveness against any severe, critical, or fatal case of Covid-19 increased rapidly to 66.1% (95% CI, 56.8 to 73.5) by the third week after the first dose and reached 96% or higher in the first 2 months after the second dose; effectiveness persisted at approximately this level for 6 months.

So being immune was sky high with figures close to 80%.
While you got ZERO figures how well vitD works posted.

This goes way above your head. The article says it's about:
Vitamin D (VitD) is an endogenous immunomodulator that could protect from HIV-1 infection reducing immune activation and inducing the expression of anti-HIV-1 peptides.

HIV attacks your immune system itself. With your immune system partially to mostly down, a patient gets a high(er) chance of dying of whatever other infection just happens to pass by. And your source is about how this reducing immune activation by HIV can get compromised by taking vitD. It's not about preventing anybody to get HIV at all.

 

I really think Joe Rogan is destroying mainstream media with the absolute most basic formula. Simply honesty.

If the mainstream media reverted to that it would dominate.

I think the problem they have is how they're funded. Defended by plane commercials selling stuff one of the major things they sell are pharmaceuticals. Just about all broadcast TV is sponsored by pharmaceuticals I can't believe how many different drug adds I see I don't watch it broadcast TV often but when I do it's like a bombardment of just prescription pharmaceuticals. And of course those annoying anti-vaping ads.

So they can't bite the hand that feeds them and when the story is about the reality of the vaccine and how it works they can't have Dr Malone on there they can't let people think that ivermectin is anything else but horse dewormer.

But I don't think all the news channels combined do better than Joe in views.

This is the thing that gets me is how incredibly Petty they are. The routinely called Joe right wing all right in fact extreme right sometimes he's not I think when Bernie was running for president he was at burning supporter I think that's about his left wing as you can get. But he doesn't let that cloud the story and I like that about him. And I think that's his appeal who would have thought just being honest was such a boon for journalism.

 

Because a lot of the time he gets it from the horse's mouth. It doesn't need to filter through journalists and script writers and producers and be placed in front of a brain dead mannequin to be read.

If he wants to talk to Elon musk he calls up Elon musk.

 

That’s right. It’s normal and understood because we’ve studied it. Just like the effects of Vitamin D on immunity are well understood. Both vaccines and Vitamin D prevent infections.

I’m not claiming anything. I’m posting peer reviewed studies that conflict with your opinions.

Please quote me basing my posts on Facebook. LOL. None of this is from Facebook or my opinion. It’s all peer reviewed science.

I have not disputed efficacy of ANY vaccines. I’ve posted FACTS about their efficacy.

Two studies with “numbers”. One is a study of people who are having sex with AIDS patients and remaining uninfected. That’s immunity my friend.

I quoted YOUR source showing most data was previous to Delta variant and on individuals vaccinated and studied from December 2020 to June 2020. Not my opinion, from YOUR source.

Do you realize your above quote does not address infection, but severe disease? LOL

So now you are moving from preventing infection to preventing severe disease? LOL. Would you like me to start quoting studies showing how Vitamin D mitigates severity of disease with HIV? Because there is a lot of data on that as well.

The entire study was to determine WHY the subjects that were banging AIDS patients remained UNINFECTED. It identified Vitamin D’s affect on mucosa as one mechanism. Not magic or unicorns. If you don’t believe the study you need to provide evidence they remained uninfected for other reasons. You are not arguing with me. You are arguing with peer reviewed science. You are putting your unsubstantiated opinions against empirical evidence and the empirical evidence is much more convincing as you have provided NO evidence to support your claims.

 

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.... This will give him something to think about.....

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John Belushi?

 

So your point of "And the current Covid vaccines are only around 20% effective at preventing infection with original variants 5 months after vaccination." is rather mute, since that is to be expected when a virus mutated, besides that the vaccine already got a decreased over time. It remains so that the vaccine gave a sky high immunity against the original virus, which shows that the science is superior.

The only thing that conflicts is the lack of understanding by you, when you read them studies. They do not say what you think it says.

While you got zero numbers on how efficient vitamin D is.

This really is an utterly ridiculous claim, my friend. Nothing currently on this planet gives you immunity to AIDS. At best there are people born with mutated genes that gives them a natural immunity. And it ends totally there.

Already discussed that there is nothing odd about a decline in efficiency. There are other vaccines that require a booster shot. it's recommended that you get boosted against typhoid ever other year. You raised a point that is totally mute.

There are only studies of vitamin D that mitigates the severity of HIV. Nothing prevents it from happening. While the vaccine against covid does more. It's superior. Hospitals are full with the people with the likes of you thinking their healthy lifestyle would save them from covid and not with people who took the vaccine. Just stating facts.

I am arguing your explanation of the peer review.
You claimed the research was about to determine why the uninfected individuals were uninfected.
While it is about examining if vit D prevents the HIV virus reducing the immunity against random infections that otherwise takes place.

You got absolutely no clue what the research is about when you just quote a sentence out of it.
Absolutely no clue.

 

Oh, you realize the alpha variant didn’t evade Covid vaccines based on mutations, right? But the efficacy of vaccines on alpha fades because Covid vaccines don’t elicit production of long lived plasma cells that continuously produce neutralizing antibodies. The fading of neutralizing antibody titers has NOTHING to do with mutation. Neutralizing antibodies fade within a couple months whether the virus mutates or not. Not my opinion, a fact.

Are you sure they don’t conflict with your unsubstantiated opinions? LOL

I’ve provided direct quotes from the studies saying the exact things I’ve stated.

Posted numerous times.

Sorry, you are wrong. From the study:

Just as I said, totally uninfected individuals having sex with infected individuals over long periods.

If nothing on the planet provided immunity to AIDS there would be no exposed uninfected individuals around in Colombia to use in the study I’ve presented. Do you think the researchers who conducted the study I’ve presented are lying? Or stupid? If so provide evidence they did not in fact study an exposed yet uninfected population. Go ahead. No opinions though, evidence. Show us how they are wrong.

I told you decline in efficacy is normal. It’s unavoidable when vaccines don’t induce long lived plasma cells which these vaccines do not.

The point is you were trying to say immunity doesn’t exist unless efficacy is “sky high”. Immunity exists independently of “sky high” or any other percentage including 20%, 10%. You still don’t understand the definition of “immunity”.

No. One study was of prevention of infection in infants. The other is of uninfected individuals having regular unprotected sex with AIDS patients and remaining uninfected.

Yes it does. If people are having unprotected regular sex with AIDS patients and remaining uninfected, SOMETHING is preventing infection. The studies I’ve provided (one a retrospective the other a vitroassay) show that high levels of Vitamin D provided protection from infection through higher quality mucosa.

Superior to what? Superiority has nothing to do with providing immunity. Influenza vaccination prevents infection and severe disease (immunity) in years when the measured efficacy is 60% and in years when measured efficacy is 10%. Moderna is “superior” to Pfizer which is “superior to J&J. All three provide immunity—protection from infection and severe disease.

In Massachusetts nearly half the hospitalizations for Covid are fully vaccinated. Fact. Those vaccinated and the unvaccinated would benefit from the prevention of infection and severe disease provided by exercise, healthy diet, and adequate sleep. Fact. If you want to argue with the studies I’ve provided, provide studies with different conclusions.

I’ve quoted paragraphs and you have reposted chopped up sentences. You are wrong. Here is the the objective of the study from the researchers themselves, not my opinion.

Nowhere does the study address random infections after HIV infection. You are just making things up at this point. We aren’t surprised.

 

So what that you told me the decline is normal. I mentioned that myself. You're scoring no points.
The immunity remains sky high, when you take booster shots.
While there is nothing odd about taking boosters to keep up being properly vaccinated against some virus.

You can directly quote whatever. But it doesn't mean you show to understand what it is about.

oh ffs... you really don't get anything.
This is about "the HESNs in this study had unprotected sexual intercourse with an SP partner"
Seropositives: people who give a positive reaction if they got a virus, in this case shortened to SP
Seronegatives: people who give a negative reaction if they got a virus, since they don't have it (or supposedly do not have it if the test is not a 100% accurate)
HESN: people who are Highly Exposed SeroNegative.

HESN people are flat out incapable to become seronegative. They have been highly exposed in the past. It did nothing. Hence the label. Your idea that this is because vitamin D, remains utterly nuts and unfounded. And it shows you got no clue what their research was about.

As I previously mentioned, some simply are born with a resistance. So far it has not been reproduced in order for others to get immune.

I already berated your dumb claim about unprotected sex. And about the infants... it has to do with ART.
https://trialsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13063-017-2157-3
Antiretroviral therapy (ART) is the principal tool utilized for prevention of mother-to-child transmission (PMTCT) of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) worldwide, which is primarily effective due to its ability to reduce maternal viral load during antenatal, delivery, and lactation periods

With the women who do not get ART, the benefits of vitamin D limits to:
We found that children born to mothers with low vitamin D concentrations in the second trimester (25(OH)D < 32 ng/mL) had significantly increased risk of stunting, being underweight, and reporting cough during their first 5 years of life [21]. There was also some indication that low vitamin D levels were associated with increased risk of small-for-gestational age (SGA) infants, but results were not statistically significant

Superior to anything. And yeah, it does provide immunity. What % it gives to the population depends when you got a vaccine and when you got the booster.

oh noes... stick to actual facts.
The majority of the people in Massachusetts is vaccinated while the majority in the hospitals is not vaccinated.
While people dying from covid is exceptionally rare for the vaccinated.
And there are plenty of stories around how healthy proud to be not vaxxed people, died of covid. We all heard them.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/12/10/massachusetts-hospitals-vaccinated-coronavirus-patients
https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-cases-among-fully-vaccinated-individuals-in-massachusetts/download

You do not understand what you're quoting.

You're quoting 1 sentence here out of an entire study and got the balls to claim I use "chopped up sentences"? lol That study ends with "However, further studies are required to define causal associations." casual as in, there is no direct correlation as far as they know.

 

You were trying to claim immunity doesn’t exist unless it’s “sky high”. This is false. I’m not attempting to score points. I’m here to educate people. You are helping me do that even if you don’t wish to benefit from the education yourself.

When what I post agrees with the conclusions of the studies it shows I do understand. The studies directly refute your opinions. This means you are the one who misunderstands.

You got one right! HESN are people in the study banging AIDS patients (SP) at least 5 times a month without protection and remaining uninfected (SN).

HESN are seronegative. How can it be impossible for them to be seronegative? LOL. They can remain seronegative (uninfected) while having unprotected sex with AIDS patients or they can become seropositive (become infected). These HESN in the study did remain uninfected. The study found one association with remaining seronegative was high Vitamin D levels. I already told you this study can’t show causality. I quoted the part of the study to you explaining vitroassay was necessary to establish causation and provided a vitroassay study showing causation.

This study did not have anything to do with the genetic mutations that appear to provide “resistance”.

No, the results I provided were prevention of infection of infants. Had nothing to do with ART although ART is somewhat effective as well.

Just a heads up. Your link is to a trial in progress. It is not concluded and published. Your link is a description of the trial, not conclusions or results of a finished, reviewed study. But I suppose that doesn’t matter to you. LOL

So you are giving up the idea there isn’t immunity unless it’s “sky high”? Good.

But you are going to claim Covid vaccines are superior to “anything”? Even measles vaccines that provide lifelong protection from infection to about 95% of vaccinees? LOL

I only post facts. As of January 13 (the last update), there are 3223 patients hospitalized FOR Covid in Massachusetts. Of those 3223, 1547 are fully vaccinated. That is 48% vaccinated and 52% unvaccinated. The rate of vaccinated hospitalizations has been rising steadily for months. This is a fact.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-response-reporting

I’m uninterested in your “stories”. I’ve simply stated facts based on official Massachusetts state government data.

LOL. More unsubstantiated opinions from you.

I have already quoted that paragraph to you from the study explaining causality can only be established through vitroassay studies which I also provided to you. Of course you do not include that information in your chopped up quotes. I’m shocked.

 

I am saying that the immunity of the vaccine works and the result is sky high immunity. With that I am not saying that immunity doesn't exist if it's not sky high. It's not as if every person exposed to covid ends up in the hospital. So there is a natural immunity as well. As far as I know, nobody is checking it out beforehand if they got that natural immunity. People like you just gamble away thinking some extra vitamins will do the trick. A potentially fatal gamble.

you quote something, without a clue what it means.

You show you still do not understand HESN people would resist being infected by default.
It's not the vitamin D that did that.
This shows you do not understand what this is about.

Because their body reacts differently to the virus.

You show you still do not understand HESN people would resist being infected by default.
It's not the vitamin D that did that.
This shows you do not understand what this is about.

I flat out quoted that ART prevents the infants to get AIDS.
So it's not the vitamin D that did that.
This shows you do not understand what this is about.

The ART part is not a trial in progress. Adding vitamin D to ART is a trial in process.
This shows you do not understand what this is about.

I'm not giving up on the idea that the vaccine against corona gives a sky high % of immunity to the population.

You do not got numbers how well Vitamin D gives immunity against Covid. How could we ever compare? So it's currently superiors to anything thrown at it.

This shows the unvaxxed 25% of Massachusetts end up in the hospitals at twice the rate to make it to that 52%.

A causality with vitamin D is a far cry from claiming that there is a direct result when you inject vitamin D and think you get the same outcome.
This shows you do not understand what this is about.

 

What kind of people am I? Someone who believes we should accept all science. I have presented studies showing lower infection and hospitalization rates in people who exercise, eat well, and get adequate sleep compared to those who don’t. Just like people who are vaccinated show lower risk of infection and hospitalization than the unvaccinated. These are all FACTS. But you reject all facts but those on vaccination. That makes you a science denier.

The studies speak for themselves if you would read them. These are NOT my claims. They are claims of peer reviewed studies. You must present data or full studies coming to different conclusion to have an argument against the studies I’ve presented. Go ahead and present evidence the subjects were not having unprotected dec and remaining uninfected. Show the mucosa of the uninfected did not have unique qualities shown in vitroassay to prevent infection of cells with HIV. Show evidence the Vitamin D serum levels did not vary between the study subjects and controls. Show the vitroassay study I presented didn’t in fact show capability of mucosal substances to prevent infection of cells. This is all what you must do to have an argument. I’m not posting opinions. Opinions are all you have.

Saying “your wrong” and “you don’t understand” is not an argument. That’s fallacy.

The studies I presented were designed to determine if Vitamin D did prevent infection. Of course as I’ve already shown, it does. Your unsubstantiated opinions with no evidence are irrelevant.

Yes. Bodies with adequate Vitamin D levels react very differently. Those bodies contain mucosa with components capable of preventing infection! That’s what the studies I’ve presented show! It’s not magic or unicorns.

If you dispute the researchers who conducted these studies you must address address their conclusions because that is what I am posting. Im not posting my opinions or my interpretation of the studies. I’m posting the ACTUAL studies.

Because there are magical unicorns involved, or because they have mucosal qualities that are known from vitroassay studies to prevent infection? Go ahead and present evidence for your unicorn theory. The researchers I’ve quoted have made their case. I’m going with peer reviewed studies this time. Unless you can present solid evidence for the magical unicorns.

Both ART and Vitamin D show results in preventing HIV infection in infants. Both vaccines and monoclonal antibodies prevent Covid infection. Just because monoclonal antibodies prevent infection with SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t mean vaccines don’t as well. More than one thing can prevent infection.

Your link is a description of a trial in progress. The results I provided you showing decreased infection rates with Vitamin D were based on an actual study and not a study of ART.

Nor should you. That point has NEVER been disputed. It is a strawman presentation by you. But you should be aware vaccination alone is not as good of protection as combining it with exercise, healthy diet, and adequate sleep. We can do BETTER than vaccination alone. I wish to save as many lives as possible. Relying on vaccination alone will kill many who could have been saved by making better lifestyle choices.

Yes, presented already.

I don’t care about “rates”. I care that there are 1500+ vaccinated individuals very sick in Massachusetts hospitals and people like you don’t want to do anything to prevent it. You actively deny science that could save many from hospitalization and death.

I understand that adequate Vitamin D levels provide mucosal components that can and do prevent HIV infection. That’s all that matters.

Again, here are YOUR claims that started all this.

I have provided over a half dozen peer reviewed studies showing you to be incorrect. You have provided NO evidence to support your claims. I invite you to do so. Your fallacious arguments are becoming tedious and uninteresting.

 

I do not deny that. I do deny that this is something close to the answer. Plenty of healthy people have died from covid. And with that some extra vitamins isn't close to the results to what a vaccination can do. You be rejecting science if you do.

I've explained in where you fail to understand the research.

Your idea that HESN people took vit D to become immune when having sex with a SP is just incredible dumb. HESN people can not get infected in the first place. And you're not responding to that.

I quoted it's just ART.

And THOSE infections have nothing to do with infected with AIDS, but a general theme of infections like how your body reacts to something like a cut, or a cold. And with that, it shows you do not understand the study.

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Healthy people end up dying just as well. Exercise, healthy diet, and adequate sleep isn't the miracle answer. The vaccination is.

nope

The vaxxed are in a massive majority, and they end up being the minority in hospitals.
And your response is that you do not care about how well the vaccinations work.

I showed you do not understand your own sources.

 

Did you miss the peer reviewed study I presented showing not having quality sleep increases chance of infection by 88%! That is on par with vaccination. “Sky high” as you would put it.

Did you miss the studies I presented showing a good diet cuts risk of infection and poor outcomes?

Did you miss this study on exercise?

Your continued denial of science is noted.

No you have made false statements about the conclusions of and the study designs of studies I’ve presented. You believe magical unicorns are responsible for preventing infection instead of Vitamin D levels like the study authors conclude.

Please quote where I claimed HESN individuals took Vitamin D to prevent infection. Please quote anyone claiming that besides you using it as a strawman. I have responded. I’ve shown studies that conclude it’s Vitamin D preventing infection, not magical unicorns.

You linked to a study design. LOL

Nope. The study was of AIDS/HIV and Vitamin D Nowhere have I or the studies I’ve presented mentioned or discussed cuts or colds. If you think a study that does not address cuts or colds but does address Vitamin D levels and HIV infection is about cuts and colds it’s you who does not understand. If the study is about cuts and colds why not provide some quote from the methods, results or discussion sections mentioning cuts and colds. Go ahead. No more opinions, present evidence the study is about cuts and colds.

Boy you have been hoodwinked. Ninety percent of Covid deaths are in countries with over 50% of the population overweight or obese.

Check this out!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/

Wow! Not having a lifestyle comorbidity resulting from poor diet, lack of exercise, dehydration, poor sleep habits etc. decreases your odds of dying from Covid by the same amount as vaccination! Sky high! It’s so sad you are not informed on this subject. It’s even worse you deny the science when presented to you.

If you want to argue, address the STUDY, not me. If you want to argue, present evidence hypertension, diabetes and heart disease are not lifestyle diseases. None of this is my opinion. Don’t come back with YOUR opinion. Give us evidence or accept the science.

Your denial of science is noted.

No. In Massachusetts the vaccinated are NOT the minority. The numbers are almost equal. I care very much about how well the vaccines work. That’s why I’m warning people vaccination isn’t enough to keep you out of the hospital. I care about the 1547 vaccinated hospitalized people in Massachusetts. I am trying to get people to understand vaccination is only a small part of what CAN be done to save lives. Again, I accept all science. You reject most.

I am not the subject. Address the studies that conflict with your opinions. Or present studies showing your claims are accurate. No more opinions.

 

We've discussed the studies extensively and I caught you again and again that you do not understand them.

What about those studies? I don't think you got any clue what "OR 2.26; 95% CI 1.81 to 2.83" means.
Also, this is about people who end up for hospitalization, not infection.

That's your opinion.

You previously responded when replying to the HESN study "The studies I presented were designed to determine if Vitamin D did prevent infection. Of course as I’ve already shown, it does.". While the fact is that HESN people could NEVER EVER get infected. It goes clear over you head. lol

You don't understand studies.

They mention bad growth, underweight, and developing a cough too.

I really could care less what some 3rd world country with not that many overweight people is able to count.

Ah. So when you got diabetes, just take some vitamin D... and you'd be fine against covid. Things will cancel each other out or something.
Got it. lol

The numbers are far from equal.
There are way more vaccinated people in Massachusetts compared to those who are not.
And vaccinated end up to be under represented in hospitals.
You be denying science if you ignore this. Up to you.

 

LOL. That’s why you say the studies are about cuts and colds but can’t quote any part of the studies where cuts and colds are even discussed let alone studied. Got it. That’s why you post a design study published at time of recruitment as if it is authoritative in some way. Got it. That’s why you believe magical unicorns keep uninfected individuals who are banging AIDS patients from becoming uninfected, not mucosa that is dependent on adequate Vitamin D as the studies show. You have yet to post your study showing magical unicorns make it IMPOSSIBLE for HESN to become infected. Surely you must base this opinion on something….

Why wouldn’t I know? In this case it means the group that didn’t exercise were 2.26 times as likely to be hospitalized for Covid compared to the group who consistently exercised.

If you want a study showing prevention of infection through exercise I can provide that as well.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-104203

I’ll reiterate for third parties, this is not my opinion. This is quotes from actual studies.

For notme, do you think vaccines are worthless because they prevent hospitalization as well as infection? You seem to reject exercise as a way to mitigate Covid because it prevents hospitalization. I thought keeping people out of the hospital was desirable? Remember the definition of immunity? It involves protection from disease—it’s not just prevention of infection. LOL

No, nothing I’ve posted is my opinion. It’s all conclusions of studies. Oh, not studies of cuts and colds. LOL.

Please provide evidence magical unicorns ensure HESN individuals can NEVER EVER be infected. Please provide evidence it isn’t mucosal qualities as the STUDY I presented shows. No more opinions. I want to see evidence for your claims.

I do. You don’t know the difference between a study and a prospective study.

Who is they? The prospective that isn’t a study?

Ok. You don’t care that it’s mostly obese people dying of Covid. Got it.

Please quote anyone saying Vitamin D is a cure for diabetes or Covid. It should be noted low vitamin D levels are known to be a risk factor for development of diabetes. We are talking about preventing disease not treating it. I thought that was clear.

If you are interested in actual studies and the link between Vitamin D and Covid read this.
https://www.endocrinologynetwork.co...s-and-blood-glucose-bmi-and-covid-19-severity

I’m not ignoring anything. I’m stating a FACT that the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated hospitalized in Massachusetts is essentially 50/50. Today 49% of hospitalizations for Covid in Massachusetts are fully vaccinated and 51% are unvaccinated.

On the 13th it was 48%/52%. As I said the percentage of vaccinated hospitalized is rising. Over 1500 people fully vaccinated are in the hospital in Massachusetts. And you don’t care because they are vaccinated. I want people to understand such simple things as sleeping enough or exercising can SAVE THEIR LIFE or keep them out of the hospital. You are AGAINST telling people those FACTS. It’s despicable.

 

What an intriguing idea!!!!????

When did John go off into the higher invisible dimensions?????

Frankly.... when was it that John Candy graduated from this seriously rough four dimensional space - time continuum????????

>>>>>......
.... I wonder do John and John kind of like Joe Rogan???????

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This will help you to understand Bill (Goliath Brain) Gates a little better... he is a lot like the character Thanos in Avengers End Game.
"Was Thanos right?????"
Was the Avengers super villain Thanos correct in wanting to
reduce the population of the earth?
This idea can be traced back to Malthusian Catastrophe Theory and neo-Malthusian thought that the population needed to be reduced in order to save the environment?

Here are several paragraphs that are a part of a fascinating near death experience account by a former Atheist that is one of the reasons why I am so optimistic that the reduction of the world's population DOES NOT have to take place..... .but instead a SPIRITUAL AWAKENING is happening that will transform the world economy, politics, educational systems and even the world's religions will become more peaceful and cooperative with each other.
Mellen Benedict.....

"Was Thanos right?????"
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@Moi621

 

aha....

RIGHT.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5564013/#:~:text=While some individuals are,-exposed seronegative (HESN).

While some individuals are readily infected by HIV-1, others remain uninfected despite repeated exposures and are defined as HIV-1-exposed seronegative (HESN). Reported HESN subjects include female commercial sex workers, discordant couples, intravenous drug abusers, hemophiliacs, and infants born to HIV-1-infected mothers (reviewed in Horton et al.1) offer the potential to inform our understanding of HIV-1 transmission.


And so it stands.
- These so called magical unicorns actually exist.
- You never understood what was researched and made wrong conclusions.

Aha... 2.26 times. Is that something to go like jawdrop about? I told you before that the vaccinations are superior. Have you compared this 2.26 with how it looks like being vaxxed?
Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc...ore-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html

You're nitpicking on 2.26 vs 29 times. Vaccines remain superior. Their efficiency is sky high.

And I add. An obese person can't just start exercising and after a month get that 2.26. They probably need a year. Can they wait that long? How does that compare with being stabbed twice?

You mentioned this in post 168, but never gave a link. My link was a prospective to get more information, but it did say what was given to them women and what THAT study was about while the preospective was about something else. But if you must...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28870263/
Vitamin D has significant immunomodulatory effects on both adaptive and innate immune responses. Observational studies indicate that adults infected with HIV with low vitamin D status may be at increased risk of mortality, pulmonary tuberculosis, and HIV disease progression. Growing observational evidence also suggests that low vitamin D status in pregnancy may increase the risk of adverse birth and infant health outcomes. As a result, antiretroviral therapy (ART) adjunct vitamin D3 supplementation may improve the health of HIV-infected pregnant women and their children.

So there we have it again... ART does the trick
While the effects are not against being infected, but the progression when that happens. Progression of aids goes hand in hand with other kind of infections... like pulmonary, tuberculosis, and so mortality.

We were discussing covid, not diabetes.

It reads:
vitamin D deficiency might be identified as a novel pathophysiological mechanism involved as common denominator of the endocrine phenotype that negatively influence COVID-19 patients outcomes

First of all.. IT MIGHT... so it also might not be the case.
And this also is not about how vit D prevents being infected, this is about influencing a negative outcome.

You're refusing to acknowledge that the ratio of vaxxed not needing care vs vaxxed needing care is far lower then the ratio of unvaxxed not needing care vs unvaxxed needing care. And it seems you don't even understand this as well.

 

So let’s see…. I spend days and multiple posts showing you studies that conclude high quality mucosa prevents infection and you tell me no and that I’m wrong. Then you post a study that mentions discordant couples (what was studied in the research I provided) and concludes that infection is prevented by high quality mucosa. Your study concludes as mine did that components of mucosa (innate immune system) prevent infection with HIV. Yours just happens to be of anal mucosa and mine was of vaginal and oral mucosa. And NO, there are no magical unicorns—infection is prevented by MUCOSA as both my study and your study show. I’ve been telling you this for DAYS and now you post a study confirming what you’ve denied up to this point!

Now the really funny part. A few days ago you said this.

Today you post a study that shows some humans ARE immune against infection by AIDS because of healthy innate immunity (mucosa). As we can see from YOUR study, you were wrong and having a better innate immune system (mucosa) IS relevant.

I’m uninterested in strawman arguments. I have never said healthy lifestyle should take the place of vaccination. I’m pointing out vaccination ALONE isn’t good enough to keep half the people hospitalized for Covid out of the Massachusetts hospitals. I’m saying if the 1500+ vaccinated hospitalized patients in those hospitals had included diet, exercise, sleep habits etc. in their Covid prevention plan a LOT of them would not be in the hospital sick and dying. It’s unwise to advise against vaccination to mitigate infectious disease. It’s unwise to advise against using healthy habits to mitigate infectious disease. You are actively opposing lifesaving practices. I am not. Please stop with the strawman arguments.

You claimed this:

You were WRONG. Now you are moving the goalposts to require exercise alone to equal efficacy of a vaccine. It is a FACT exercise DOES provide protection from SARS-CoV-2. I’ve shown exercise, diet, and adequate sleep ALL prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection AND poor outcomes.

The study I linked to was from South Korea. The prevalence of obesity is about 34% in SK. Obese people were not excluded from the study. LOL. You are welcome to present evidence obese people do not benefit from exercise but you won’t be able to because all evidence shows obese people DO benefit from exercise. You are welcome to provide evidence it takes a year for an obese person’s blood pressure to decrease. But you won’t because no such evidence exists.

Check this out. Remember earlier I posted data showing hypertension is one of the four main comorbidities with Covid hospitalization and death? And (not my opinion) there is evidence hypertension increases chance of infection (you prefer appeal to authority so I’ll let a doctor make the claim and you can argue with him).

https://www.vcuhealth.org/news/covid-19/covid-19-and-high-blood-pressure-cause-for-concern#:~:text=Does high blood pressure increase,increased risk of infection.

Another person to argue with. Not my opinion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/consumer.healthday.com/amp/hypertension-and-exercise-2647977978

Not a year to see benefits from exercise—one DAY!

Do you know over the first year of the pandemic (before vaccines) about 40% of the US population GAINED about 29 lbs.? Do you know I started advocating for exercise to mitigate infection risk and obesity (a major Covid comorbidity) in April of 2020 many months before Covid vaccines were available. Would you have supported exercise and weight loss as a way to prevent infection and poor outcomes before vaccination existed? If so, why not now? If not, why not?

Your prospective study is going to quantify the effect of Vitamin D supplementation on mother to child transmission of HIV. Why would they do that if ART is stopping transmission to children by “doing the trick”? Of course ART helps. So does Vitamin D. Why are you hung up on false dichotomies? Why can’t you accept more than one thing can have a positive effect? Again, you say Vitamin D has no effect on infection rates with HIV. If this is true why are scientists conducting studies to quantify what you say is impossible? Shouldn’t you tell these clowns they are wasting their time and money because you know Vitamin D doesn’t affect HIV infection rates? Why do many on ART take vitamin D if ART is all that matters?

Yes, we are still learning about Vitamin D and Covid. You STILL don’t understand immunity is protection from DISEASE, not just infection? Sigh…. Honest question, why do you not care about people with Covid being hospitalized and dying that could be saved by using more than ONE mitigation? I really don’t understand it. You are just like anti vaxxers advocating against lifesaving mitigation.

You are creating a strawman. I have NEVER claimed on PF the percentage of vaxxed needing care is not lower than the unvaxxed. NEVER. The point I’m making is IRRELEVANT to that FACT. My point is vaccination ALONE is not sufficient to keep people out of the hospital. My point is there are VERY EFFECTIVE, PROVEN BY SCIENCE mitigations we can use to save lives and prevent hospitalization/infection. But we aren’t. And people like you advocate AGAINST saving lives. You are just as bad from an ethical perspective as an anti vaxxer because you DENY mitigations proven by science to save lives.

 

You're not responding to my remark about HESN and how you totally failed to understand what the study was about.
And most of all, your idea that vitamin D prevents Aids remains utter fiction. You are wrong. You tried, but failed.

Oh good lord, let me ignore a group that is tiny and totally not relevant to the subject if vitamin D protects you against Aids. It remains so that your claim about vitamin D about Aids is pure fiction.

I'm not interested in your strawman arguments. Your claim it would have prevented "a lot" is false. Being vaxxed would have prevented A LOT of this. It's flat out superior. The benefits are sky high. While your idea's of exercise, as in do not be obese, are simply unrealistic for people to achieve in a short time.

There is "a keen" difference between being infected, and getting so sick that you need care in hospitals. And being vaxxed prevents it all. I've not seen vitamin D doing crap against getting infected.... that's why AIDS got dragged in. You failed to prove vit D prevents Aids infections from that virus. You tried. You failed, because you do not understand the text of your own sources.

I don't dispute that obese people die more. I dispute that they get infected a lot more. And "a lot" is also utterly relative. What actually helps A LOT... is being vaxxed. It eclipses all other efforts.

Your claim that vitamin D prevents women from passing AIDS to their unborn children remains fake.
They did that with ART. I sourced it again, with study that is not a prospective.

You failed to prove vitamin D protects you from being infected by AIDS, and subsequently also failed to prove it prevents you from Covid.
All you got going is that is changes the outcome on average. It's nowhere near as effective as getting vaxxed.

But you ignored it. And with that you're ignoring the science and what actually matters... which is being vaxxed is superior and the most effective thing to do.

You claim healthy bla bla... gives you 2.something better chances of not getting in the hospital. You called that "a lot". Being vaxxed gives you 10 times more of that!! I'm sticking to what matters