"The question is no longer Donald Trump’s criminality, but whether America will care"

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    archives Well-Known Member

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    "The question is no longer Donald Trump’s criminality, but whether America will care"

    "America still had the naïve ability to be shocked back on Nov. 16, 1973, when a rambling then-President Richard Nixon stood up before 400 Associated Press journalists. Wallowing in the Watergate scandal, the 37th president then uttered these famous words: “‘People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I am not a crook.”

    "Nationally televised hearings — with probably some in prime time — by the House committee this spring offer the potential to lay out Trump’s alleged crimes in a compelling, understandable storyline, and thus turn public opinion more harshly against the 45th president. That, too, loudly echoes Watergate, but this is also where the plot diverges"

    "Unlike the early 1970s, when Watergate sparked unrelentingly coverage, Trump’s sins will be whitewashed by an army of megaphones from Fox News’ Tucker Carlson to talk radio to your uncle on Facebook."

    "In a year when the fate of U.S. democracy is at least competing with the price of burritos and mask mandates in public schools for the attention of voters, there is the very real possibility of learning in prime time that our president was a crook — and then doing nothing."

    https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/com...-20220123.html

    Although getting ahead of itself, the article does raise some interesting questions

    The January 6th Committee really can't do anything legally, that would be up to Garland, however, their jury is the American public, and when they lay out in prime time in TV hearings questioning multiple recognized Trump surrogates, will it catch the attention of the American citizenry? If they definitively show to America that Trump and the gang were planning avenues to dismiss the vote to stay in power, will America respond?

    And the bigger question, if they don't, what kind of precedents will that lay down to include the future, Executive power, and America's democracy?
     
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    Most likely would have more to do with hundreds of fake criminal claims by the left where nobody believes anything they say anymore.
    And also the result of CNN and MSNBC losing 80% of their viewership.
    When you cry wolf around every corner and are found to be fake, people stop listening.
     
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    The question uppermost on my mind is - what are they waiting for??
     
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    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    Most likely more than a CNN anonymous story or another Pelosi and Schiff conspiracy story
     
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    The people that need to do this are spineless kiss-@sses.


    queen of chaos e.jpg
     
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    There’s a lot more cynicism plus a more diverse media than nearly fifty years ago. I suspect the hearing will reach less of the public than it did nearly fifty years ago.

    It’s likely to come down to presentation and personalities. It’s complexity is a negative and I don’t see a John Dean-like figure as of yet.

    It should get interesting next month as the presentation begins. It’s not a legal proceeding so people will have to testify and I don’t know how taking the 5th every other question is going to go over. It’s anyone’s guess.
     
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    When you can have a president who openly brags about withholding foreign aid unless the prosecutor investigating his son's involvement in a shady pay for Access arrangement in a foreign country, where his son has zero qualifications but is paid obscene amounts of a monthly salary....

    And the president openly brags about it on national television and not a single thing is done about it then ask yourself the question why no one cares what the other president got away with.
     
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    Errrr - have you actually looked into this whole thing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20891510/hunter-biden-burisma-ukraine-shokin
     
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    Lol…that’s what happened to trump.
     
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    Nobody cares because everybody knows it’s a partisan witchhunt
     
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    I see this playing out in ways similar to Mueller's investigation. Just as there was a drip, drip of info being reported on as his work was being done, so too now with the 1/6 committee. So much so that there will likely be no bombshell revelations to catch the attention of the public. Just as before, right wing media circulated enough lies and obfuscation about the Russia/Trump campaign connections to convince gullible rubes, eager to believe the lies, it was all a hoax. These days you've got Carlson spewing "false flag" nonsense and RWM putting emphasis on the events of 1/6 to the exclusion of the behind the scenes plot to steal the election. All designed to prepare The Following to dismiss the 1/6 committee's findings.
    Ultimately, Trump's defenders will excuse and forgive every single bit of the heretofore unimaginable madness leading to the Big Lie, Eastman's memo, the submission of slates of fake electors, the pressure on election officials, the badgering of Pence, unless he is convicted of something. Their standard of acceptable behavior having nothing at all to do with upholding an oath, putting the country first, respecting the will of the people, honor, integrity, or basic decency, but rather whether the letter of laws were broken.
     
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    I disagree... there actually was something done about it... A former President with the cajones to actually do his job to call for an investigation into this .... I'll use my word for it..... BLACKMAIL...... and Biden using tax payer monies and implicating Obama in this while representing the US as the V.P of the US.

    What was done about it.... That former president was impeached for just that thing....and you'll never guess by who.. yep.. the same sham House bunch that is attempting their third try at an impeachment yet again... (oh, and for the liberal response... he was acquitted for it )
     
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    Evidence of an actual crime
     
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    I agree, life and the news cycles are dynamic. But, for the historical factually chronological record and to ensure the rule of law as well as justice is served, he must, at the very least, be held to account. Corruption can't be allowed to go unpunished once it can be proven. Even if he ends up being given a pardon if found guilty.
     
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    When his fat orange ass is dressed in prison orange then it will be over.
     
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    The DOJ? If it's the DOJ, IDK?
     
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    Well if you remember the Watergate break in was not what did Nixon in as much as the cover up. Particularly firing his attorney generals until he got one that would fire the special prosecutor appointed to investigate the break in.

    At that time Nixon's role in the break in was not known, but the length he went to to stop the investigation convinced many of his guilt, and turned both the public and his party against him far more than the break in.

    Trump isn't covering up anything. Quite the opposite.
     
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    hE HAS DONE NOTHING BUT COVER UP AND SCAM FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE.
     
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    Most Americans don't care much about pissant chickenshit stuff.
     
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    For them to realize the futility of what they are doing. Should take another 10 months at least.
     
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