Pardon countdown for Hunter Biden crony

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    That's not what Trump believes. Trump adores Putin, but to the extent that he has been trying to get a Trump hotel in Moscow for about a decade now. He also has interest in several oil exploration companies that would have been front and center in the Exxon-Rosneft deal would have brought Trump business incentives and residual income. It is why he was against sanctions on Putin and certain Russian energy companies to begin with.

    Trump will be fond of a person, especially authoritarian types, if it means it can get a business deal in his pocket.
     
  2. MJ Davies

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    It's either "Democratic <whatever position>" OR " <whatever position> (D)" OR "<whatever name> (D)".

    It's NEVER "Democrat <whatever>" unless you are referring to the WHOLE group which is pluralized as "Democrats".
     
  3. Natty Bumpo

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    That certainly sounds like a childish, anti-American scheme that would trigger retaliation by both.

    Presumably, both have methods of identification of enemy aircraft and weaponry that is more sophisticated than paint.
     
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    While recent presidents have occasionally granted pardons and commutations without recommendations from the Justice Department’s pardon attorney, President Trump turned the exception into the norm. We previously analyzed Trump’s circumvention of the pardon attorney at two points during Trump’s presidency. In a new essay in the Federal Sentencing Reporter, we examine how many of Trump’s 238 clemency grants were recommended by the pardon attorney. We conclude that only 25, or 11 percent, were so recommended.

    As Lawfare readers likely know, the Office of the Pardon Attorney is a component of the Justice Department that, pursuant to Justice Department regulations, makes clemency recommendations to the president. When evaluating pardon petitions, the pardon attorney primarily considers the petitioner’s post-conviction behavior; the nature and recentness of the crime; the necessity of clemency relief for the applicant; and official guidance and reports related to the petition. The pardon attorney uses similar factors to evaluate commutation petitions—focusing specifically on the severity of the petitioner’s sentence, the petitioner’s age and any notable service the petitioner has provided to the U.S. government. The pardon attorney consults the sentencing judge, the U.S. attorney in the district of conviction and sometimes the assistant attorney general leading the Justice Department component that was in charge of the case. The pardon attorney’s recommendations are evaluated by the deputy attorney general before being presented to the president. The process usually takes more than a year.

    No prez has ever abused the power to pardon like Trump did.
     
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    War criminals I might add who were mostly guys who had sense enough to not take the PC attitude on to the battlefield where it puts good men's lives at risk.
     
  6. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    Anybody with long-term or short-term memory will not accept this historical revisionism.

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  7. Alwayssa

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    What Lt. Clint Lorance had no sense of humor and should not have led the platoon after he was outed as being gay. When you have every member of the platoon give the testimony of what he actually did, Lorance was a complete clusterf***. What he did was murder two innocent Afghan citizens, including a teenager, for what? Riding a bike too fast that was parrallel to their location?

    Then you have Navy Seal Gallagher who posed with a dead Iraqi terrorist as if he was on a safari trophy hunt. Not only did it violate the UCMJ, it violated several international agreements that the US is signatory too on how to treat deceased and living insurgents with some dignity. He

    And then you have Maj. Mathew Golsteyn who faced murder charges for doing something similar to what Lt. Clint Lorance did.

    Finally, the creme de la creme, Trump pardoned 4 blackwater security guards for murdering 14 Iraqis. This was the Iraqi Mai Lei incident of our time.

    I have no sympathy for these types of acts and they were not bad decision in the fog of war. No where close.
     
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    Can you show a few examples of how you have arrived that Biden will pardon this individual based on prior corruption.
     
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    You spout misinformation when you say Trump loves Putin.
     
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    It seems, people can be easily fooled. Fooled about Covid. Fooled about Trump. Fooled about Putin or Ukraine.
     
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    Neither of your memes are true. Both memes are revisionist.
     
  12. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    I was not spouting misinformation. Trump will adore anyone and will use anyone to get what he wants. That is how he thinks. He cares nothing for anyone else but him and him alone. If Trump being kind to Putin will get him a Trump hotel, he will say "Putin is a genius" and so forth.
     
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    More misinformation.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Inexplicably, ideological dogma vanquishes objective, empirical data for many.
     
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    Your post is sooooo ironic.:roflol:
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    You can pretend that if you need to, but my adherence to empirical data over ideological dogma is unassailable.

    That's why pissy folks snivel rather than attempt a factually-based refutation.
     
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    I don’t think it’s possible to smear Hunter Biden. His reputation speaks for itself. Do I need to go over it with you?
     
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    The president has plenary authority to grant pardons to those accused or convicted of federal crimes. If you know of a single case where Trump flouted his authority, show your work.
     
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    Your posts are sooo ironic.
     
  20. Alwayssa

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    It's not a question of flouting his authority, it's a question of protocols. Trump basically pardoned persons based on three criteria: if he liked you, if you indirectly paid him to grant his pardon, and if it was politically viable to get votes. Trump pardoned most of his former business partners, persons convicted of crimes and still think they were innocent, war criminals, and so on.

    All other presidents used the Office of the Pardon Attorney to vet the potential candidates with very few exceptions that the President or his staff interviened.

    Huge difference
     
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    Trump's clowns attempts to damage Trump's political adversary by smearing his family fizzled, and it is they who are confronting legal consequences.
    Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko said,... “Hunter Biden did not violate any Ukrainian laws – at least as of now, we do not see any wrongdoing.

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    If you need to dismiss facts that you can't deal with as "ironic" that's your problem.

    Try finding the integrity to honestly confront substantive, relevant questions:

    1) What political office does Hunter Biden hold?

    2) What political office has Hunter Biden ever held?

    3) What political office is Hunter Biden seeking?​

    4) Of what crimes is Hunter Biden being charged?

    5) Why are some disgruntled Trump losers obsessing over Hunter Biden as if he were one of their Kardashians?​
     
  22. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you kidding? Do you think pardoning a person (Stone) who withheld testimony regarding potential criminal charges and impeachment flouts pardon authority? Read this and get back to me. https://www.lawfareblog.com/trumps-circumvention-justice-department-clemency-process
     
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    Do you really need names of the those that Clinton and Obama granted clemency to that fit the same criteria? lol

    anyway this is from 2018.......

    Criticisms Of The Pardon Attorney Office DOJ
    Common cited reasons in protest of the Pardon Attorney Office are that it is understaffed and politically motivated.

    Since Donald J. Trump took office, 2,319 petitions for pardon or commutation of a sentence have already been filed. Only 1 has been granted. The Pardon Attorney Office staff has hardly grown in the past 20 years, but petition filings have rapidly increased. These are the petition filing numbers for the past four presidents, beginning with President Obama:

    • Obama: 36,544
    • Bush: 11,074
    • Clinton: 7,449
    • Bush (one term): 1,466
    Office of the Pardon Attorney DOJ | Department of Justice | Contact Office (clemency.com)


    Trump ended up granting executive clemency to only 237 individuals, Obama granted 1927

    For more info-
    FSR3305_03_Gluck 297..300 (silverchair.com)
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In your mind what does that prove given...........Donald Trump’s commutation yesterday of Roger Stone’s sentence was his most controversial exercise of the pardon power to date. The Stone commutation fit a pattern: Almost all of the beneficiaries of Trump’s pardons and commutations have had a personal or political connection to the president. This general pattern is well known. But we examined publicly available information to try to get some precise numbers. The result is this chart.
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/trumps-aberrant-pardons-and-commutations
     

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