1/6 committee alleges Trump, allies engaged in potential ’criminal conspiracy’

Not at all. The scope of the "crimes" was so vast that building a solid legal case in 81 days was never going to happen. Look at the 1/6 arrestees - in over a year many haven't even been charged. Also when Time Magazine basically publishes at "how we did it" article and you guys just yawn - what more can I say.

I've never seen this so called "prediction' dealing is specifics but it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to steal an election. Seriously, did you REALLY think the Dems demands for full mail ballot elections was just because they wanted the best for you?

 

In other words you're pulling a Biden.

 

Crooked Donnie is going to have to spend some of his "donations' on keeping himself out of the gulag. Time for more fund raising and for Trump supporters to pony up more!

 

He's already started his next con. The sniveling grifter is begging for non-billionaires to buy him a plane. I'll chip in everything I can if he takes it and leaves the country forever with NO rights to return to live or visit.

 

Here is the thing, Crooked Donnie would take that deal, take your money and then break that deal.

 

He wouldn't be able to. Here are my terms...

* 50 armed "suckers and losers" to staple gun his dumb@ss to the plane seat.
* Elizabeth "Báthory" him at his destination.
* All cell towers will be cut so he can't call/text the US for any reason.
* Anybody that puts a microphone or camera in his face or writes anything about him for release in the US will be exiled also.
* All the nasty KFC and Big Macs he wants funneled into a feeding hole in his dungeon (I'm not a monster .

 

I think Siberia could fit the bill.

 

Those NG were there because the approval process and been gone through weeks before and they were there for TRAFFIC control and could not just be sent over to the Capital to engage in domestic law enforcement. THAT had to go through proper approvals too. AGAIN she is in charge those who do security report to her and she was in the chain.

 

Why are you spreading the bogus claims that those deaths were because of Trump or the riot?

 

I'll file that in the wishful thinking file, under subheading self-gratifying partisan hackery.

 

but for Trump and the riot, there would have been no deaths.

Trump could be guilty under a criminal law concept called 'felony murder' for a least a few of them, but I'll let Garland duke it out.

 

Utter conjecture and supposition. And no if Trump could be guilty he would have been charged.

 

"would have been charged"?

Maybe he will, but because he isn't yet, doesn't prove your point. And that is your point. How many years did it take them to prosecute Capone and Gotti? Years.

Prosecuting a president when the crimes involve over a thousand people, takes time.

Did you not hear Garland state that he is going to make sure everyone who committed crimes will be prosecuted, and the DOJ method is to start at the bottom and work up the food chain? Well, given the size of the thing, the number of depositions, stones to unturn, the numbers are immense, it takes time on the journey to prosecuting Trump for 1/6, there are many facets to the thing, and this idea that because he hasn't been prosecuted yet doesn't mean they won't, it doesn't mean he is exonerated.

 

WHO APPROVES THE TO GO TOT HE CAPITAL GROUNDS ?

 

Well one thing is for sure. The original message from the OP has been successfully blurred with arguments about who authorized/failed to authorize the use of NG troops.
Regardless of who was in charge and made the decisions, Trump basically took a tractor/trailer with a heavy load to the top of a steep hill, disconnected the brakes and pushed it enough to send it down the hill, then claims that any damage incurred was not his responsibility. He sat and watched it as it rolled down the hill, passing up any opportunities to try to stop it.
Like the analogy or not, Trump set up the whole thing, promised he would go with them to the capitol, bailed on that (of course!) and sat back an watched as hundreds of Capitol Police officers were assaulted by the mob he assembled.
Let's quit arguing the small, logistical details. Do they really matter at this point? We had a US president who intentionally set a crazed mob on the Capitol building so that he could stay in power against the wishes of the electorate.
Illegal? Many arguments.
Disqualifying as an elected official in the US?
Should be.
Yet, there are some in America who would hand that power and responsibility right back to him.

 

Has he been charged? Has anyone in the WH been charged? The investigation has fallen apart as has been noted. We have pleas and convictions now, who has accused the President of taking part in their crimes? You guts have been saying for almost SEVEN YEARS NOW here it comes, this is it, we got him now, we're not kidding this time..........and even the tax fraud investigation is at a dead end.

 

He told the truck driver to go peacefully to his employer and protest his employment conditions peacefully. See I can make up analogies too. He did nothing different than other politicians who urge their supporters to protest and yes "fight" for what they believe. That got out of hand because of a few people who got violent, nothing more.

 

Then why didn't he do anything to try and stop it? And I guess it depends on your definition of "few people". Looked like hundreds to me. Maybe thousands.
And, In My Personal Opinion, Trump knew he had attracted a whole bunch of "loose cannons" and knew what they were like and might do.
Then sat back and watched it happen, failing to lift a finger to help out the police officers.
You can spin it any way you want to, but Trump failed in his duties that day.

 

Like what?

Thousands, have not been arrested for violent acts or assault. Only a couple hundred out of over 100,000 who attended the rally. Trump and his staff and others warned weeks before it was going to be a large rally and urged more security in the form of NG troops be called in. Those pleas were dismissed by the mayor of DC and officials at the Capital.

Trump had nothing to do with security on the streets of DC or at the Capital. He could not order troops to the the streets or to the Capital the President has no such authority. You can try and spin is any way you want to but those are the facts and the LAW and the CONSTITUTION.

 

Like sending in the National Guard instead of waiting for a couple of hours. Or making a public statement from the Oval Office, which was just a few steps away. Or saying something of substance on Twitter instead of tip-toeing. Or calling off his dogs in any other meaningful way. I'm sorry, but anyone who can't think of ANYTHING he could have been more proactive about this hasn't really put much thought into this. Hell, if the only thing he had done was just NOT posting on Twitter about how much he hated Pence WHILE the mob was trying to chase down and murder Pence, that would have been progress.

 

You are a smart guy, and I've noticed you are good at arguing. Not necessarily great a proving it, but I have no doubt that no matter how I answer your questions, you will have an argument for them. For example:
A. I'll refer you to yardmeat's subsequent post, #270. He could have gotten on twitter, or even been there to control it.
B. There is no proof that Trump asked for additional NG troops. If you have it, show it...... I have a feeling you will not be able to.
C. Trump absolutely had the authority to call in DC NG. It's been posted here, by myself and others, where the president is the ultimate authority for the DC NG.
Read this: https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/ excerpt: "As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States." If you dispute this, show me where it's unconstitutional. Why would the Guard post something on their website that was unconstitutional?

 

He DID get on Twitter. 30 minutes after they breached the outside perimeter and then again 30 minutes later.
B. There is no proof that Trump asked for additional NG troops. If you have it, show it...... I have a feeling you will not be able to.
Trump could not ask for Ttroops to be deployed, only the Mayor of DC and officials at the Capital can ask for troops. It is well documented that in the days before Trump and the WH were urging both of those to request additional troops for the coming event.

The MAYOR and then CAPITAL POLICE have to request the troops be sent in. The President cannot just on his own order them to deploy for domestic law enforcement and it is the Secretary of the Army that issues the order after such a request. There was nothing Trump couldbhave done on his own for those Capital Police.

 

See above. He twice urged protestors to be peaceful and respect the police. It was not for him to order addtitional NG troops that HAS to come from the Capital police and Mayor and novitiate was not held up. Had they listened to him and the DOD in the days before those troopsbwould have been there.

Security that day falls on DC and the Capital go blame them.

 

Sergeant of Arms who reports to Pelosi.. How many times do you have to be told the basics???

 

You did not read the link. If you had, you would see your error. Or show me where my error is, substantiated.
Why do you want to argue but not consider sources?
Why do you think Trump sent out tweets to discourage violence? I can't find any evidence of it. At least you made me look! lol He did send out tweets, but they were only to ENcourage the rioters. Read this : https://www.newsweek.com/jan-6-capi...rst-tweet-speech-bidens-certification-1665436
And we're overlooking the fact that Trump could have actually gone to the Capitol building with them like he said he would. Him being there, in the middle of what he assembled, might have been enough for people to listen to him if he wanted to stop them from attacking the police.
Face it, you're trying to defend someone who doesn't deserve to be defended.
I still don't know why some people have such a hard time with criticism of Trump. He ain't worth it...........