The right to own arms is explicitly a constitutional right. The right to an abortion, or for that matter any medical procedure, is not mentioned, addressed, or hinted at in the constitution. Penumbra is just a fancy euphemistic term used to justify SCOTUS making rulings to their personal liking and claiming it has some elusive constitutional support. Alito is jurisprudentially absolutely correct in that the SCOTUS has no business or authority addressing abortion in the least.
I guess you do too. I mean, because you don't SHOW it. And I don't mean just repeat the talking points you get from Tucker Carlson. I mean actually SHOWING what the hell you are talking about. This means links, references, quotes, ... facts.... You know... all those things you ALWAYS omit in your posts. But you would need to create a thread. THIS one is about the government forcing women to bear children. Then why am I seeing you desperately trying to change the subject in a thread in which we discuss the government taking away that choice from women?
We need to take away a President's right to appoint a Supreme Court Justice on phoney logic yet push through another president's choice in the same situation ... hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
HORSEPOOP. You just read my personal view endorsing the right of every person to make their own personal decisions, and the rejection the right of anyone else to impose theirs on them. And I do watch Carlson- because unlike the MSM media he DOES back up what he says with videos including that of MSM propaganda, and he does ask you to think for yourself. That's why his program is soaring while CNN and the MSM are damn near dead- people are catching on, and tired of it. Today- Biden has declared that the "MAGA crowd" is the most extreme political group that's existed" in recent political history. Utter nonsense- from the people who have not only failed to do anything good or right, but are doing great damage everyday to the nation. You seem to think denial changes truth. It does not- it is only a camouflage for those wanting to avoid truth. You can't make a list of genuine improvements that have resulted from the efforts of the left over the last 5-6 years, because there are none. A list of evils is another thing- and a long one. Included on the list of evils is the unhinged attack of Trump before he was even elected. The conspiracy by the leaders of the DNC to fabricate false evidence of international conspiracy. Biden's daily violation of US Cpde 1324a, immigration law- under which many business people and individuals have been heavily fined and/or imprisoned for doing far less. It wasn't the right fomenting the many riots that destroyed major parts of cities. Not the right that had police stand down. Not the right that defunded police, and brought us the biggest increase in crimes and crazies on the street in living memory. You say you do your research. IF you actually do- then you know those things are true; and the demand someone prove them to you is only a way to deny anything exists. IF you actually wanted a more accurately informed public, you would acknowledge all the relevant facts and judge them all with the same parameters. IF.
Replace 'your party' with 'your side'. (no need to nitpick), and your side is in disagreement with my side, most of the time. Not always but most of the time, that puts you right of center. Great!
Who's talking about regulating medical procedures, which is the purview of the states? we're talking about the 'right' to those procedures, which is the purview of the federal government.
I disagree. Dems believe health care is a right and gun ownership is a priveledge. Owning a refrigerator does not cause anyone to pay or lose anything, yet it's not a right, either. So your definition is foggy, at best.
You are incorrect. My place on the political chart is left of center. If you ever want to know my position, just ask. For me, its about the issues and results are all that matter. I see people consumed by the smoke and mirror side of politics and don't admire them. They focus on the faces and voices of politicians and react emotionally. Whenever I bring up actual results, people run as far as they can to avoid admitting they were fooled. Democrats are in no position to claim opposition to government overreach. You support big government and this is a taste of your own medicine.
For argument's sake, they are fine to prove a point. I mean, what other way can I prove the point but by querying women, as polls do? You tell me? Every poll I've looked at thus far indicate that most woman favor abortion.
The dire health consequences of denying abortions, explained The overturn of Roe v. Wade, possibly presaged this week in the leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion, would be a development of enormous political and social consequence. Most fundamentally, however, such a ruling could almost immediately trigger tectonic change in the health and well-being of birthing people and children across the country. We know this due to important research published in 2020 that compared the fates of women who were forced to carry pregnancies to term versus those who were provided abortions. The influential Turnaway Study, as it’s commonly referred to, found that, among other things, women who were denied an abortion endured more serious pregnancy complications, more chronic pain, and more short-term anxiety. The Supreme Court’s decision is not final: Opinions go through many drafts, and, in theory, some of the justices could still change their minds before handing down their final decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...t-overturn-roe-wade-abortion-bans-health-care This is meaningless to the fans of jeeeeezus.
Polls are not acceptable evidence. As for what other way you can prove your point? A focus group that takes peoples opinions over a long period of time and carefully screens for personal biases (like the one I belong to for Gallup) would be better.
Nice try at the spin there Golem. As normal that's all you do. You're against a bill that was passed Democratically in Florida. And here you are complaining about a part of that Democratic process in the OP.
Sorry... the moment they called women "birthing people" was the moment they lost any credibility. God what an insulting phrase for women.
Given the degree to which you have disagreed with me in the past, I have seen no evidence that you are left of center. Your position abortion could be slightly right of center. But, I'd like to see your answers to the following, if you don't mind indulging me for a moment: Are you for, or against, universal health care, if not, the ACA? Are you for, or against, background checks for purchasing guns? Are you for, or against, civilians owning military weapons (machine guns, javelins, grenade launchers, 50 cal. etc)? Are you for, or against, limiting the size of gun magazine clips (say, 8 bullets) Are you for, or against, sawed off shot guns? Are you for, or against, usury in the issuing of credit? Are you for, or against, unions ( in principle)? Are you for, or against, food programs for needy children? Are you for, or against, food stamps for poverty stricken? Are you for, or against, a federal baseline minimum wage that is at least livable in the least expensive state? (for me, it's about $12) there are more, but your answers to the above will show me if you are, indeed, left of center.
No, polls will do for the sake of argument. Clearly, most women favor abortion, and that has been the case, for a long time.
For me, its about results. Big pharma spends big money on politicians. I would absolutely support efforts to make Americans healthier. It would take far less money. ACA makes a lot of people rich, but results show that Americans are sicker. This Covid Vaccine has maderna raking in massive profits for a product that does very little. They even got a sweet deal shielding them from lawsuits for any damage their drug causes. Background checks for gun purchases are as worthless as wings on a chicken. Those who have committed violent acts should be the ones subject to interference by law enforcement. I would rather see violent offenders lose their 4th amendment rights. Results show that BK checks unjustly deny law abiding citizens to exercise their second amendment rights for having the same name as someone on the "no buy" list. (Nguyen, Smith, etc.) Civilians already own "machine guns" and 50 cal. firearms. (50 cal means .5 of an inch) I own 50 cal firearms as well as one that fires a 1 inch projectile. (100 cal) Civilians can also own grenade launchers. Unfortunately, human life is fragile and it doesn't take much to end it. A pressure cooker and some marbles is no less dangerous. There is no such thing as a magazine clip, but I understand your point. Results show such bans are as worthless as a concrete parachute. I don't understand your sawed off shotgun question. What is wrong with shortening a shotgun barrel? I support usury laws, but these payday loan places found a way to circumvent these laws. I think the APR is around 400%. They take almost as much as the government! The term "unions" is far too general to comment on. I am 100% for food programs for the needy, but not what they are giving them today. 10% of food assistance is spent on sweetened beverages and the rest is mostly unhealthy food items. EBT can even be used at many fast food restaurants. Limiting what can be purchased with food assistance was proposed, but of course, pepsico lobbied against it and got it squashed. No politician will bite the hand that elects them. Food stamps, EBT, SNAP same as above. Absolutely no forced min wage. Living in Los Angeles, I see the results. Only the tax man gets a raise. Your quiz artificially places me right of center by omitting many of the questions. The commonly accepted quiz places me on the lower left quadrant. Thanks for the good questions.
You have it backward. Health care requires someone to pay. That doesn't apply to the right to own a gun. You can call a refrigerator purchase a right if you want to. It seems a little silly but nobody would argue the point.
I think we agree on many fundamental view of such things. Governments of course must cultivate power and the ability to stay in office. The staying in office part usually means telling people what they want to hear- and creating compromised laws that appease the louder voices at the cost of genuine functionality. While the concepts of democracy are certainly subject to a lot of flaws there is a description that fits well, from Winston Churchill: "Democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others". For a good system to work well, it must be administered well, and serve a people who want it to work well- want it to serve the nation rather than the loudest squeaking wheel. That comes down to the quality of us as citizens; our respect for each other- and our respect for ourselves. Unfortunately, we seem to have a lot of people with neither, and to them a good system is one that serves their interests at the expense of their perceived enemies. In order to feel righteous, many of these people feel their views must prevail over others, not just themselves. That makes them feel more powerful, more righteous- and protects their own interests without consideration for how it deprives others of the same thing. Lots of flaws in the human creature as well as lot of great things. The success depends on which of these we embrace- and I believe the first such concept must be that each of us is responsible for ourselves, and not entitled to deprive anyone else of the same power. Th abortion conflict is of course- all about exactly that; the power to impose the will of a person who has absolutely nothing to do with the most personal decisions of another, with absolutely no care or responsibility consequence. To me- this is not a question of right or wrong, nor what I would do if I were in similar position- but of who has the right and power to decide what the decision must be given the circumstances. I think the right of the person who carries all the responsibility and deals with all the consequences outweighs the right of any who does not to dictate the decision- by far. This is totally the issue with abortion. A pregnancy is many cases is a life-crisis, because a person may be totally unprepared to be a parent, unable to support a child, unable to provide the kind of environment that will cause that child to grow up as a healthy, balanced adult. I have had some close contact with women in that position, and I know that the options are usually very deeply weighed, it is a soul-searching question, not a casual one. It is extremely difficult, hard enough if there were no outside interference of demands, but instead becomes one under heavy pressure from people who have nothing to do with it. The good intentions of such people simply do not validate the actions of them. There are 13 states right now with "trigger" laws. These are laws on hold, total bans on abortion that immediately become active if Roe V Wade is overturned. Other have laws that would impose new restrictions should that happen- and none of that requires consideration or discussion. Thus, a supreme court ruling against R V W doesn't just open the door, it triggers immediate change in the laws of many states. This is why the people are concerned- and the consequences of these laws would not be to stop abortions, but to drive them back to the conditions of the past, everything from doctors doing them secretly to self-abortions with coat hangers, and... the deaths of many women and the child developing in them. Humans are- in some ways- the most gifted species on the planet, but we are also often the dumbest specie on the planet. We need to learn to use our gifts- our intelligence, our capacity of logic - to learn to stop doing stupid things. Perhaps the worst of those is to disregard our obligation to run our own lives well, then blaming our discontent and fears on how other people runs their.
They better be hell bent on preserving their right to bodily autonomy....or someday be told they HAVE to have an abortion....slavery is slavery..
Oh sure. Because back before Roe v. Wade so many women were told they had to have an abortion. Don't be ridiculous.
FoxHastings said: ↑ They better be hell bent on preserving their right to bodily autonomy....or someday be told they HAVE to have an abortion....slavery is slavery.. I didn't say that....are you confused? Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it can't happen.....if women loose the right to bodily autonomy then they are nothing more than cattle, owned by the government.
