MID-TERMS are coming fast and the outcome is clear. What happens then?

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  1. Kranes56

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    Yeah see this is the kind of conspiracy thinking that makes me doubt Republicans will ever play fair in an election again.
     
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    Bullshirt, they never have so far
    I've been around a good deal longer than you seem to think. I have very rarely seen government EVER give any power back once they take it. I have seen the people MAKE them give it back but that's not the same thing and it's exceedingly rare too.

    If Trump gets back in in 2024 it will be Russia 2. Ivanka will succeed Daddy and little Barry will probably be after her. By 2100 we won't have a President, we'll have a Trump, like Rome had Caesars
     
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    Using the size of Trump's rallies as evidence is just another example of not having any real proof. It is just manipulating things to fit the nar of a stolen election that was being preached for months prior and they have spent 18+ months trying to find real proof. Cue the links to debunked nonsense.

    Trump has a loyal devout following of millions, but still only a small % of voters go to his rallies. The mass majority of Americans don't go to political rallies. I wouldn't have gone to see Biden if he was in my backyard, yet I still voted for him.

    81 million people did not vote for Biden, they voted against Trump. If the ballot had said "Not Trump" instead of Biden, it would have been the same result
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what you pretend not to see can't hurt you, right?
     
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    There was plenty of support in the Great Wall of China. It was manned by millions of troops along the 3000-mile-plus wall. And yet, it still failed. We have 20000 plus border patrol agents. This does not include the local, county and state law enforcement officers on the border that can come and help, if need be. In addition, we do have defined borders. We have ports of entry at all major and minor airports, shipping ports, cruise ship ports and debarkation areas, and across land bridges. There are exceptions of course in defining a border, especially when a Native American reservation is across both the US and Mexico border, but it is there. And we have been doing this for quite some time, since 1873, when the Chinese Exclusion Act created the Border Patrol Agency. Prior to that, it was the US Army in those territories or the Texas Rangers Law Enforcement in the 1800s that did this. The point is that we have been patrolling, defining

    Except conspiracy theories are one part truth and 9 parts fantasy. The conspiracy theories of 9/11. or the Rothschild conspiracy, anti-hermeticism, or the George Soros conspiracy theories, or the Bill Clinton conspiracy theories, and the list goes on and on. None of them have come true, not even close. So again, lead with evidence first, based on evidence, develop a theory, then gather more evidence to prove your theory. That is how rational people think.

    With conspiracy theory, the conclusion is already made as if it is true, then they cherry-pick certain evidence to fit their theory while ignoring all others.



    You really have not spouted any expertise here on this forum for anything, supply chain or otherwise. So, pardon me, but your words are empty and it is not as common as you might think, especially, global supply chain mechanisms such as auto parts, food, and trade.


    Well, you have not done so yet, so why start now? In addition, we have a 92% average historically with incumbents winning. There were few exceptions, such as the 2010 midterm elections for instance. So, do you really vote for the most competent without regard to politics or does politics define how one is "competent?" We can take MTG for instance. None of her bills have passed the house or even been considered for a vote by the committee. Is that getting the results you are defining here? And we can do this with about 95% of all members of Congress where their bills are never considered, never passed in the House or Senate, or never passed by the committee in the House or Senate. This would include someone like Ted Cruz or Hawthorne or Boebert or Mastriano.


    There are times when some things were necessary, such as WW2 and food rationing or masks, lockdowns, etc when Covid first hit and we had no medical protocols to treat this new disease. But we do have certain mandates for certain vaccines if your child wants to attend school, either public or private. We also have certain laws for speeding, public nuissance, public intoxication, etc.


    For starters, being gay or truly transgender is not a choice, PERIOD. For transgender, it is more of a chemical imbalance than anything else and our medical knowledge is not at the level that we see on TV, even after we have mapped the entire human genome and DNA sequences. I really do believe that the first step if one thinks they are transgender, no matter how old they are, is to see professional medical help. Punishing parents who are trying to help their child is not the way or punishing the physicians who are trying to help is not the way either. That is political insanity. Second, just because you "do not like brussel sprouts" still does not excuse taking away their rights either. As I said, that is exactly what the GOP is doing. Next will be interracial marriage or perhaps cohabitation while not being married or something similar to that.



    Big boy pants mean getting rid of your pride and focusing on the evidence no matter where it leads, even if it goes against your political idealogy. And yes, I dismantled your high school arguments and will continue to do so. You have the GOP right now that are not providing any real solutions. As I have listed before, abortion with no exceptions including a national abortion ban, just pray for people who are victims of mass gun violence while blaming Democrats for all the issues is not a real solution. At least the Democrats are putting solutions out there and that does not mean I agree with them. I take them on a case by case basis. But the GOP is becoming the No Nothing Party of the 1850s and that is not a good thing.




    There have been posters on this forum who are conservatives who have name called as well as you have. This is not an "I know what you are but what am I argument" here. And that type of argument went out the window in high school. It is time to stop assuming I am one party or another and deal with my arguments directly instead of dancing all around it. That also tells me you know nothing about what I have or argued for.

    When it comes to the border, we have done things that are already asking for with little or no results. i have argued that building a border wall deals with the symptoms of EWI, or Entry Without Inspection. Now, deal with the root causes of why people are coming here for a better life, for better jobs despite people like you or Gov Abbott hating them for doing the exact same thing that our ancestors have done in the past. Why do you think the conservatives are all quiet about Ukrainian refugees but were all up in arms about Syrian refugees who also faced war and violence. They are coming here as refugees/Asylees for the same reason yet one group was ignored and the other group was embraced. Care to guess why is that?

    When it comes to supply chain issues, very little the legislature can do or the Executive Branch can do. So again, how can the legislature resolve the supply chain issues? Reducing regulation? No. Putting more factories here? Well no unless you really, really want the price to up even further. Or how about strengthening international trade with those countries, including China, and getting rid of the Tariff Wars that Trump initiated. We can have tariffs at low rates, and if or when a country violates the trade agreements, and we have enough evidence to prove such things, then we can punish them with increased tariffs.

    Crime, let the FBI and every other investigative agency have the resources necessary to do their jobs whether it is the SEC, IRS, Labor, etc. Let the evidence lead the way instead of playing politics. Then allow the DOJ to do their jobs without executive or legislative interference. How is that? And if one of your own is charged with a crime, then perhaps instead of blaming the investigative agency, blame the person who committed the alleged crime while allowing the DOJ to do their job instead of the conspiracy theories on Jan 6th or any other incident where conservatives were caught violating the law, or vice versa.
     
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    Nonsense. Which states clamped down hardest and stayed closed longest? Which party thinks parents have no say in their children's education. Which one raises taxes because the THINK they know better how to spend it than the people who earned it?
    You're just regurgitating liberal propaganda and mantras.
     
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    It is really not that small. It probably has about 30% of the Total GOP constituents right now, and if they decide to stay home, there will be no GOP wave. That is why like places in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and elsewhere, traditional Republicans are doing everything they can to defeat them. That same group will go to the polls if the GOP riles them up enough with political ads using fear tactics. And that is the problem within the GOP between the McConnell Wing and the Trump Wing in control of the GOP. If Trump candidates do win the primary, the moderate wing of the GOP will vote Democrat first before they will vote GOP. and they are the smallest group, like 8% of the GOP. And that will be enough for a Democrat, a Democrat who is not a progressive, to win the seat.

    Right now, what is helping the GOP most is actually the Democrats. That is, the Democrats do have a messaging problem on numerous issues. The only group that is consistant with their messaging is the progressive wing of the Democrats but their solutions are also too extreme just like the Trump wing of the GOP. So, what does a voter have? It is also why McCarthy is in a very specific predictament. The Trump wing wants revenge so bad that they are willing to throw the Constitution away for short term political gain and go after anyone and everyone who disagrees with them. This is why we have the situation with Disney or with business in general or with free speech, etc.
     
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    Which is way several states are tightening voting laws.
     
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    the party of "no" comes again and nothing gets done?

    what bills have republican created that you want passed that would address any of those, that are not being passed?

    many of those issues are created by republicans, and they will not allow them to be solved as they are the problem

    republican are not the party of solutions anymore - watch and see
     
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    It is generally the states that rely heavily on entertainment and tourism mostly. They were also the first to experience the Covid epidemic in the initial stages of the pandemic. Namely California and New York. Basically, the lockdown was necessary in the beginning, but if we had more guidelines that the President would embrace instead of using politics first, then we would be in much better shape today than now. This would include mandating vaccines and masks in public closed spaces if the infection rate was too high in the area, for instance.
     
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    Yes...in the right direction.
     
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    That is a great start, but the landslide mid-term elections are a mixed blessing: super that the adult Republicans will be in charge, but, on the other hand, the feckless McCarthy and the power hungry McConnell (Mac and Mac) will likely be in charge.
     
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    Is that why Democrats built over 900 miles of it?

    Talk about having no clue. How much are you paying for gas right now? Theres your first hint. Jesus

    Wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about

    Just wow. You guys love that Government control, don't you. lol

    Of course, for the left, stopping the left from having sexual conversations with 5 year olds is putting politics into schools.
    And many (like you) don't like it. I wonder why.

    We just did. Musk will fix the leftist way of censoring speech. Finally.

    Of course, without Trump, you couldn't think of a response. We are talking about the liberal idiot DA's refusing to hold criminals accountable for their crimes.
    But you support them so theres that.
     
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    Youre absolutely right. People have lost a lot of faith in the electoral process. And as a result, there is a reasonable risk of violence breaking out as a result.
     
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    Those were political compromises on omnibus bills. Second, they are not a continuous wall, which a person like Spiritgide has argued for, along with Trump.

    LOL, that this the fault of Biden how? Since future oil barrel prices are a world commodity market and the price of oil per barrel is around $110, how is that Biden's fault? Also, demand is rising faster than supply right now. Supply is in the hands of private oil-producing companies and they have not kept up with demand. Even getting the Keystone Pipeline XL fully operational in the next week, hypothetically speaking, will not reduce the price of gas significantly. Might reduce it 10 cents, but that is all. So again, how is this Biden's fault? You have in India a major drought where India has stopped exports of its excess wheat. That means the future price of wheat is going to go up. What will you do then? Blame Biden for something that happened in India.

    Why don't you guys give specifics on supply chain issues and solusitons instead of the blame game here. I bet you cannot do it, can you.

    LOL, and this argument proves your point how? Blame Biden is all you got and that shows you have no clue whatsoever. No, go back to playing in the sandbox with all the other little kids.

    So, I guess that makes Trump a Democrat because he want a totalitarian government under his leadership. Yet, you were perfectly happy with that, weren't you.

    Identifying the world around them or answering questions why Emily has two mothers or jake has two fathers is not teaching 5 year olds about anything nor putting politics in the classroom. You guys are doing exactly that with the so-call his story 1776 Commission initiatives that DeSantis is wanting.

    A hate to pee in your cheerios, but Musk purchase of Twitter is on hold right now. He may still buy it, but I don't think it will be exactly what you are wanting though. For me, I really don't care.

    Trump was the last President before Biden and he has been on record for several dozen things. He has literally called everyone in Congress a Muslim that they "should go back to where they come from." He has weakened NATO in his tenure. He does not work well with others. He has slept with more women than Bill Clinton did, even when running for office. He admires people like Adolf Hitler. And yet all you do is make up excuses for the guy and still do not acknowledge the truth about January 6th at all.
     
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    So, Florida is not heavily into entertainment and tourism?
    Oh, and when Trump claimed he had the power to open or close states - he was shouted down by the Cuomos and Newsoms of the country.
     
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    All you have to do is look at what works.
    The people who can make things happen- do.
    The people who can't or won't- blame others.

    IF we were generally a wise people, the massive problems of today would not exist- but they do, and that tells you that the majority of people are electing less than competent people- and demanding less than genuinely productive policies. Instead those who can't produce good results contrive excuses for people like you to buy, and that makes them think they understand. The politicians don't step up to the plate and say "We were wrong", do they? The people who voted them into office won't either- instead, they will stonewall that truth and stay the course rather than correct it. Take the easy out, everybody's stupid but me.

    IF you think you know what's wrong with the American system- - come up with a genuine plan to fix it. Any fool can blame others and deny facts. Show us how smart you really are. And how wise, if you can.

    IF you understood what's happening, no explanation is necessary.
    IF you don't understand, no explanation is possible.
    IF most people understood- things would be in working order instead of in chaos.
    That starts with the individual. Learning is the easy part. Throwing out the trash you have already piled on your table, hiding the things you need to know from you- is the "Unlearning" and that is the hard part.

    Now I know you aren't going to even consider that, because you already know everything.
     
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    It's unfortunate to find yourself forced to make changes because anywhere has got to be better than where you are at. But- it has to start somewhere.
     
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    1. You mean like they did in 2017 when they controlled Congress and the White House?
    2. Hopefully
    3. Hopefully
    4. Hopefully
    5. Not the Federal governments job
    6. Not the Federal governments job
    7. Not the Federal governments job, thats Local and State level

    I have pretty much zero faith that Republicans will do anything significant if/when they win Congress in November. Much of this stuff relies on societal acceptance and the damage control media is already in full production. This "red wave" in November isn't being touted as a failure of Democrat policies over the last 2 years but rather just the way things go in politics. "The controlling party in the Executive Branch almost always loses Congress in the midterms".

    Republicans don't "do" anything and I think folks cheering for a Republican Congress are going to be in for a rude awakening thinking they are going to come in there and fix this country. The biggest changes you'll see will simply be the Biden Administration and the media will now have a much easier time playing defense because they'll now have a scapegoat. Right now the media just largely ignores the blatant failures of the Federal government and when failures become too big to ignore they just sugarcoat it and/or twist it into somehow being the last Administrations fault. They come up with the most mind numbing mental gymnastics ever to the point where it's literally hilarious. "Phew! Almost had to blame Biden for that but we fixed it".

    Biggest change you'll see is little actual change but all the failures will be directed towards Congress who are now obstructing Biden's grand vision and everything would be fixed if they would just work with him.

    2021-2022 country goes to **** = Biden working so hard to undo all the damage Trump did and it takes time
    2023-2024 country still in **** = Biden working so hard but the Republicans in Congress block everything he wants to do

    Mark my words.
     
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    "2000 mules"
     
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    Sounds wonderful -- but first, Democrats need to lose these elections very convincingly. And that means no more unbelievably STOOPID stunts like the one that Alito and the other Conservatives on the SCOTUS just pulled off.

    If we keep on shooting ourselves in BOTH feet, we won't get the power in Congress we must have in order to contain all this idiotic, 'woke' Democrat madness!
     
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    Yeah those loathed voter restrictions in Georgia resulted in record turnouts on both sides but favoring Republicans more than three to two.
     
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    More fake lefty excuses ignorant of the southern Boarder Fencing Act. Who'd a thunk

    Democrats unanimously supported building 700 miles of border wall. Pelosi now says that a wall is an immorality, but back in 2013, she supported a bill that required the construction of 700 miles of border fencing. The bill negotiated by the Gang of Eight, which included current Democratic leaders Schumer and Richard J. Durbin declared that not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish . . . the ‘Southern Border Fencing Strategy,’ to identify where 700 miles of fencing (including double-layer fencing) . . . should be deployed along the Southern border.”

    The bill further said that “the Secretary may not adjust the status of aliens who have been granted registered provisional immigrant status . . . until 6 months after a written certification that . . . there is in place along the Southern Border no fewer than 700 miles of pedestrian fencing.” In other words, Democrats agreed that no illegal immigrants could get a path to citizenship until all 700 miles of border fencing had been fully completed.

    You fake lefty excuses aren't working, sorry


    Since Russia invaded Ukraine, the world oil price has been wildly fluctuating, but last week it was just shy of $100 a barrel. Biden is pushing forward with his war on American fossil fuels as part of his and the left’s climate-change obsession.

    Just last week, his administration put new restrictions on building liquefied-natural-gas terminals in the United States, which are needed to liquefy our abundant (and clean) natural gas and place it in tankers to be shipped to Europe and the rest of the world. The cancellation of oil and gas pipelines, such as the Keystone XL, and gas-drilling permits in Alaska, Texas and other oil-rich states have also lowered our domestic production.

    Compare the peak oil-production months under Trump’s energy-independence policies to the latest production numbers under Biden: The Energy Information Administration’s data show that the United States is producing roughly 1.2 million fewer barrels oil per day.

    So the math here is fairly straightforward: 1.2 million barrels times $100 a day is a deadweight loss to the United States of slightly more than $100 million every day. When Trump left office in January 2021, we were energy independent. Today, we rely on Russia and OPEC nations to fill up our tanks and heat our homes.

    Think of Biden’s energy policy as a $100 million per day foreign-aid program for our adversaries in Iran, Russia and OPEC nations.

    Biden says he is “doing everything he can” to bring down gas prices. Wrong.
    When the supply of a product falls, its price rises. When Trump left office, the price of oil was at roughly $1.89 a gallon nationally. Now it is $4.49 and headed to more than $6 a gallon.

    This means the rise in oil prices is raising the cost of a fill-up by almost $40. Home heating costs are up almost one-third, and in many areas of the country this means an extra $100 a month to stay warm.

    That’s your share of the $100 million daily Biden energy-inflation tax. And what adds insult to injury is that this tax isn’t going to our government or helping American companies and workers. No, arguably the planet’s biggest beneficiaries of these high energy prices is Vladimir Putin — who is laughing all the way to the bank.

    Biden may say he wants domestic oil producers to invest the money necessary to increase domestic oil production, but when it comes to actual government action, the Biden administration again made it more expensive to produce domestic energy.

    By a 3-1 vote, with all Democratic members voting "yes" and the sole Republican member voting "no," the Securities and Exchange Commission advanced a proposed rule compelling public companies to disclose “climate-related risks” to the government.

    The goal of the new regulation is to discourage Wall Street investment managers from giving oil and gas companies the investments they need to increase domestic energy production. Once the regulation is fully implemented, publicly traded companies would be forced to provide data on their own carbon emissions, how much energy they consume, and how many carbon emissions are generated by their suppliers and customers.

    Environmental, social, and governance investors would then use this data to deprive fossil fuel producers of the capital they need to increase domestic energy production. The new regulation will also force companies to get their emissions data independently certified by a third party. This will be a huge windfall for consulting and accounting firms but will only hurt consumers who will be forced to pay for their high fees.

    The SEC climate rule is just the latest in a long line of Biden administration actions designed to make domestic fossil fuel production and consumption more expensive. Biden has either outright canceled or delayed leases on federal lands for fossil fuel production, and he has also made production on private property more expensive through aggressive enforcement of environmental and endangered species statutes.

    Easy, just reverse Biden policies. Pretty simple

    Gibberish

    More Gibberish

    Musk is repositioning the price for false provisions. But someone like yourself wouldn't know that. lol

    More exaggerations and Gibberish because its all you have

    What he Tweeted was against the 4 idiot Congresswomen who were against Israel and he stated they should go don't just go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Which he was right. If they hate America so much, why are they here. So using your ideology, I guess you hate American as well.

    Another fake lefty idiocy. He told NATO to either pay their fair share or the US would leave as we aren't paying their bills anymore.
    Guess what happened.
    NATO touts ‘unprecedented’ defense spending following Trump’s calls for parity
    https://nypost.com/2019/12/01/nato-...e-spending-following-trumps-calls-for-parity/

    Bill Clinton? You mean Pedophile Island Clinton? The same Pedophile Bill who was sticking his cigars in the vagina of his staffer in the oval office?
    Just wow, you stepped in it there, didn't you.

    Lefty Gibberish

    I never brought him up, YOU DID. Seems you love Trump more than anyone else on PF as you can't post anything without him.
     
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    I meant the # of his base that actually would go to a rallly. A lot less than 30 mil, but obviously way more than Biden's close to zero
     
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    Tourism is significant in Florida, it is not the number one industry or even the top 5. but it has other avenues as well such as space and exploration, aka Cape Canaveral, agriculture where 70% of all oranges are grown in Florida, meat, which ranks third and is Florida's top export, ranch land is 60% of the total land is used as ranch/farmland and life sciences where some of the biggest projects are located in Florida, from the swamp to the beaches and onto the waters off of Florida. In fact, Florida's economy is more diverse than I think you realize.
     

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