14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

That's a lie. Most mass shooters can't legally own, or possess a firearm.

 

That's idiotic... lol

 

Okay, that's your opinion, care to explain why you feel that way?

Or do we as a country just keep escalating anger and tensions until we rip ourselves apart?

 

You obviously didn’t read the stats I posted earlier. 77% of the firearms used in mass shoutings were legally obtained…

“85 of the mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and May 2022 involved weapons which were obtained legally; a clear majority. Only 16 incidents involved guns that were obtained illegally. ”

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/

 

You're still lying.

 

5 years for first degree murder is idiotic...lol. That won't deter anyone.

 

How can the murder of one person, as in that list, be classed as a massacre?

 

You practically can in Texas

 

5 years to the CHANCE of parole. If we aren't even going to YRY to rehabilitate criminals, then they have no reason to be afraid of prison, right?

Threatening death doesn't stop people from killing when they are willing to die themselves.

 

Maybe because Buffalo was obviously racially motivated, and the other is to be determined, maybe not? Just a thought......

 

Because you can’t always rely on government to guarantee your safety. We’ve seen CHAD. We’ve seen “defund the police” movement. We are seeing how understaffed police departments in many areas are struggling to respond to emergency calls in a timely manner. A legal handgun coupled with stand your ground laws give you an option of using deadly force against an intruder, which, in some circumstances, is the fastest way of ending a conflict with minimal harm to a defending party.
Do you remember CHOP in Seattle? There was a residential area that was not accessible to police. During those weeks that the area was “occupied” it saw shootings, robberies, rapes, looting, and other crime. How do you think those residents felt? I remember reading interviews were some of those residents said they are going to move out and never come back. See, no matter how much you think our laws can keep us safe, if police cannot reach you on time then these laws are useless. But your handgun can be with you whenever and wherever you want.
Next - how do you know that some day some country like China, Russia, or North Korea won’t try to pull a Donbas on the U.S. by encouraging and quietly funding separatism, as well as sending their mercenaries to participate in some fighting. If this were to happen, your local cops could be disabled and disarmed and the help from the state might not arrive for weeks or months, as we saw with CHOP. If that happens in your community and someone breaks into your house - what are you going to do? Having an armed population makes such strategy much more difficult for our enemies to implement because there are always going to be groups of locals willing to take matters into their own hands and defend their local community.
That’s why I think it’s good to have a legal right to own guns, even if we get some whackos who commit acts of terrorism.

 

Which is their excuse to not deal with the problems which are school security and mental health. These legal guns were legally bought what laws are you proposing that would have stopped this shooting?

 

Would you have preferred the criminal just throw a molatov cocktail or a bomb into the classroom. Maybe a manchette and just chopped up the kids? Or he could have mowed them down at the school crosswalk with his car?

If someone who his mentally ill is hellbent on create a massacre to get themselves the attention they do not they will find a way to do it.

 

Statistically speaking, guns cause a LOT more problems for people than they solve.

 

That is not accurate, there are no, and never were any selfies of him posing with a firearm.

It wasn't a gun free zone, there was an armed officer on the scene when the gunman first arrived, but he was shot down before he could draw his weapon. In fact there were multiple officers who exchanged gun fire who were injured, and in the end it took a team of special forces officers to take the gunman out, and even then so, at least one of the special forces officers was shot in the head, but is said to be in stable condition.

The regular police officers who were already patrolling the school, and who first arrived did not have enough firepower to take out the gunman. They had to request assistance from a nearby border patrol station. The reality is most police officers carry weapons designed for self defense, but the gunman was carrying a weapon designed for more offensive purposes than mere self defense. An assault rifle with high capacity magazines is a designed for the purpose of shooting multiple targets from an advanced range.

 

Sorry, can’t help you if you don’t understand basic mathematics…

 

What has Abbott and every Republican governor before him done to solve this?

More importantly, what are the results?

Since Abbott became governor, more than 60 innocent people have died in Texas in mass shootings.

I've written dozens of posts on this thread.

Make the intellectual effort to read them.

 

How do you explain the fact that there are practically no more mass killings - committed with any weapon - when a country strictly regulates the access to guns?

 

I suggest you look up that cost.

 

You then choose to deceive yourself.

"If"? You don't know enough about them to recognize the certainty of my statement?
With that in mind: What restrictions should there be on pump-action shotguns?

And thus, your explanation as to why reasonable rational people are not swayed by appeals to emotion.

 

All schools both private and public in Texas are gun/drug free zones. This is a fact, and was when I was a police officer. They most certainly did have the firepower to stop him as he was wearing a vest with no shock plate. There are many soft spots on T2 and T3 armor, this I know for a fact.

 

Convenient excuse…mental illness in the US is not much higher than in comparable countries, yet those atrocities you list aren’t happening there….

 

My query was meant to encompass many more freedoms than just the RKBA. I was thinking about all sorts of things: NYC-style stop-and-frisk, the "right to privacy", Miranda warnings, repealing the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and/or 8th amendments, "Minority Report"-style pre-crime divisions, etc. There are lots of rights that, if conceded, would make us more secure, and my hope was that @Rexxon would consider ALL of his/her rights in responding to my question.

With a significant number of caveats, and with a high degree of confidence that the desired outcome would result (which, of course, no one can provide in reality), then I might, or at least I'd spend some time seriously considering proposals such as this.

 

But there are

3 days ago

3 kids struck by car near OC elementary school; incendiary device found inside suspect's car: police
https://abc7.com/santa-ana-children-hit-by-car-collision-oc-bomb-squad/11886251/

These crazies will find a way.

 

You still only care about gun deaths but don't care about the others?