19 officers stood in the hallway waiting. Now, 19 children are dead

@truth and justice

Earlier you seem to be very interested in the timeline of events so I figured that you would find this of interest

 

Wow, that's hard to even read.
This confirms that our kids are not safe or protected at public schools.

 

Expert demonstration of torturing the English language. Let me fix your sentence for you.

Conservative on this forum have made it clear that SCOTUS has ruled that police have not obligation to protect citizens and that this is one of the (many) reasons to arm ourselves.

 

So why do you complain that the police didn't do anything in Uvalde?

 

I didn’t apply to be a police officer.

I think it is interesting the same people saying these police officers did what they should are same ones saying we should arm teachers and expect more from them than our actual law enforcement officers

WTF IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY?
If we cannot protect our children what is the point?

 

There are plenty of things that are currently legally permissible that make my blood boil. The gap between what is right and what is legal has grown quite wide.

 

I'm afraid not. When I first started we weren’t even issued Kevlar vests for dynamic entries, I wore a t-shirt with the words “police” and jeans. Things are better but to get things like gas and other stuff everyone has to go to schools to be certified to use it, plus paying for it.
At the risk of sounding like I’m flip flopping some guys should only be writing parking tickets, and that’s about what they were qualified to do.

 

However, the fact that the police are not obliged to protect the citizens is one of the arguments of the pro 2A to arm the population.

And if you arm people more, there will be more mass shootings.

 

the illusion of safety. We’re not safe from everything and we never will be. There will always be another church shooter, airline bomber, market suicide-vest nutbag, some loser who just wants to die and take others with them. We’re just mitigating risk.
I’m not saying those guys did what they should without my reading a full AAR, I’m saying that it’s a gov job and if they tell you not to do something you pretty much have to.

Then you go home and hate your supervisors and probably yourself and the job and you quit. I’m certain there are guys here who will repeat that sentiment.

 

It has me questioning everything. We turn the care and protection of our young over to others every school day and in this case they failed to protect them.

 

And metal detectors, a locked perimeter that is secured when school starts with video at the gate that allows the person buzzing you in to look you over, positively identify you and see what you are carrying before you enter.

Try to just walk into a courtroom, concert, convention, profession sporting, college graduation, it's standard.

Parents need to rethink school security and whether they can trust schools to keep their children safe, especially after learning that the police can't always be counted on either, but, we already had notice of that when so many police departments stood down while the Left burned our cities throughout the summer of 2020.

 

It's certainly a vivid reminder that you can't count on the police to protect you, wouldn't you agree?

 

Because the lawmakers in your country ENSURE that mass murderers will have the best possible equipment with which to ply their evil trade….

 

The fact that police do not have a legal requirement to do their job does not mean they do not have a moral or ethical requirement to do their job. Although you torture the English language to imply otherwise, no conservative wants police to stand down while children are being murdered.

 

That certainly seems to be the case.

 

build a doughnut shop at every school

this way they will already be there when the shooting starts

 

Bottom line: police injuries are expensive and the people who set policy, design training curriculums and give orders are more concerned with the budget than protecting the public.

...and unless we want to massively increase funding to the police, this is how its supposed to be.

FTR, I would not have waited outside while a gunman murdered children. But also I would not make it very far in law enforcement because Im not good at following orders that I know are wrong.

We can either have police that are trained to follow orders prioritizing their safety and keeping expenses down, or we can have police that will risk injury or death to charge into an active shooting. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

 

There is a special place in hell for scumbags like this.

 

You can never blame a policeman for wanting to save his skin when he's shot by a madman.

Yet the Conservatives use the argument that the police cannot protect them to arm themselves.

 

That's true, because that's the American reality.

In 2021, 62 police officers died under fire.

A society saturated with guns, crazy people armed everywhere with very powerful weapons, world record of mass shootings...

In Canada, for example, it's something else.

At Dawson College shooting in 2006, the police didn't hesitate to surround the shooter inside the building in the first minutes.

Results: only one victim.

This is what happens in a society where the police know they will have the upper hand.

 

More likely in USA than any other free country in the world.
Somethings missing. These shootings that is.

 

The county spends over 40% of their budget on the police force. That's pretty high, so I question the thought process of not engaging with the shooter to save costs. City and police department could face a bug cat lawsuit, so I wonder if they calculated the costs when deciding to let these children die.

 

A big lawsuit is precisely what needs to happen. The lawyers and bean counters that run the show need to alter their priorities and accept that protecting the public means allowing officers to put themselves at greater risk. But it prolly also means we'll either need to increase funding or decrease expenses by reducing law enforcement responsibilities in other areas. If we expect more police to charge into violent crimes and save the victims, we also have to prepare for more of them to be injured and killed in the process, which means there has to be more of them available to cover vacancies.

 

But armed school staff would've done this Rambo thing and saved everyone?

 

Better ten dead cowardly, expensive cops than one dead child.