FBI is a politiced institution. There is no doubt.

Yes a saner way to look at this.

 

That is something Trump's lawyers will have to explain.

Possibilities include that they couldn't get permission from the owner, aka Trump, tried to get in contact with Trump and couldn't, Trump promised them at a later date and never complied, that question was never asked, and so forth. Until more details are known, it is up to Trump's lawyers to explain, which is why they are going with the "standing order declassification" route right now.

 

You're just jacking with me, right? What word is it then that you think I should use to properly describe his egocentric nature and how it affected everything he did as President? All the way to the point that he surrounded himself with such an embarrassing collection of sycophantic misfits such as my pillow Mike in the final days of his administration?

 

"They" were negotiating with tRaitor tRump to get the documents for that period time without result. That's what prompted the warrant. Sensitive information had been in the wind long enough.

 

They were packed up in a room ready to go with the fbis special lock on it. How does that happen if Trump wasn't working with them to get their documents?

 

It wasn't an "FBI special lock" and "they" had been trying to get documents back for, as you say, over a year. AND, had been given a signed document, by a tRaitor tRump lawyer that all documents had been surrendured; which was a lie.

 

Wha!?!?! Man, some of the stuff some people will argue around this place! Let me get this straight, please. You're asserting that these documents were secured beforehand by the FBI, with a "special" lock, but what, they were waiting to influence the election, so they just left them as some inane variation of "planted" evidence? And Trump allowed them to just leave them as a plant? And this passes your smell test?

 

Saner and more legal way of proving their case. Remember, if there are charges brought, Trump does not have to prove his innocence.
All his team has to do is plant severe doubt. Like, why didn't the FBI take all the boxes in June? They have to prove Trump willingly had illegal information in his possession and had a nefarious intent to betray his country. They tried to do this before. How many times can they go to the well? I've heard the left's usual echo chamber propaganda, he was going to sell them to our enemies, but where's the proof? IF charges are brought, INTENT will be hard to prove.

 

No, what this incident shows beyond a shadow of a doubt is that the minion believes the fat orange toad is above the law, and you guys are more than willing to destroy this country for this idiotic narcissistic blowhard.

 

Why did they wait then? The FBI hasn't denied the claim about the special lock and that Trump put the documents in that room per their request.

 

I hate to be lazy, but I've not actually followed this whole thread. I assume you've already posted the source of this info, but, well, I mean really, this passes your smell test? You do realize that there is no requirement for the DOJ to respond to stuff that gets tossed around the "interwebs"? Whatever your source is, I'm just asking you whether or not this makes sense to you. I'm not asking whether this makes sense to your team, to your values, to your political priorities: I'm just asking whether this makes sense that the FBI already had access to these materials and left them there with a "special" lock and Trump approved of this. How does that make sense? Your theory demands that the FBI guys did it with the intent to come back later, closer to the mid-terms as yet another attempt to influence the election per the precedent established by James Comey much to the benefit of then candidate Trump. And your theory demands that Trump agreed it would be best to leave US classified material at his private residence until when, exactly?

 

Im not jacking with you. Im trying to communicate in an objective manner using words as they're defined. What you describe is many of the traits of a narcissist, which Trump probably is. While authoritarians probably tend to also be narcissists, the corelation is not demonstrably causal given that not all narcissists are authoritarian.

You said Trump is authoritarian. Im asking to describe how or why or what he did or tried to do to coerce/enforce obedience in opposition to individual rights, as authoritarianism means.

Authoritarian doesnt mean you want ppl to obey you. It means you take measures to make them obey you. Thats what concerns me. Ppl who merely want me to obey them can wish in one hand and **** in the other all they want. Trump included.

 

Let's say I'm your boss and let's say that aside from my role in that position you like your job. Let's say that, in fact, you like your job so well that you put up with me being your boss when by any other account you would leave your job working for my company if you didn't consider your job that important to you and like the other people that you worked with at my company. Let's say that as your boss you come to me with a preliminary inspection you've performed as part of your job working on the sewer system that receives effluent from the Purina plant in Louisville Ky. Now, you didn't even want this particular section of the system assignment, given that the Purina effluent was stanky to the nth degree and an ongoing complaint and irritation to the entire neighborhood around their facility. And let's say that your mutli-gas monitor picked up some hydrocarbons while you were doing your job in that inspection, but unbeknown to you, when you filed your preliminary report, I am good personal friends with the Purina Plant manager and I know that he's been having problems and I'm trying to help the guy out, so I tell you to squash your report because the meter - who knows if the meter really detected hydrocarbons!? Was it properly calibrated before you went to the field? Yes? You bump tested it? What about the cal gas then? How do you know the cal gas wasn't off? By this point, you are rolling your eyes, here he goes again you think to yourself. And I demand that you remove the mention of the HC alarm going off from your report. You have had enough, realize that this might be a precursor to a larger problem, and resign after all. In your place I get a guy that does what I ask him to do. Savvy? Six weeks later the Purina plant releases a huge amount of benzene into the sewer system and literally, **** blows to hell.

So, again, which word better describes me acting like that as your boss? Narcissistic or Authoritarian?

 

LOL, they were in a room with a lock or other secure mechanism as in storage. Nothing, and I do mean nothing was "ready to go." For that to work, he would have said, "just take them now" the first time, but no he didn't.

Trump is a master at stalling and if the slall doesn't work, his MO is to cry "foul" and pretend he is being persecuted. He has literally done this numerous times way before he became President. He has not changed, not one damn bit.

 

The special lock does not matter when top secret documents are involved with or without "declassification" argument. The simple fact is the NARA is the owner of those documents, no one else. Trump had them and the NARA did not. Everything else is just a matter of degree of culpability.

 

If it's true that there was Attorney/client documents in the storage room the NARA has no claims to them.

 

How about narcissistic authoritarian? Or in other words, you are a narcissist but also want total control of everything you see.

 

Apparently you have some kind of need to interrupt my posts with @GrayMan that is focused on the matter of degree of culpability with respect to his assertion that this was planned by the DOJ and the FBI to influence the election.

Special lock and documents Trump has no authorization to possess notwithstanding....

Recheck the thread topic, his assertion is that this was intentionally timed to influence the upcoming midterms.

 

If there were attorney-client documents, then the box should have been label as such. Mixing those types of documents in with other types of documents is the fault of the person who put them in there or had that style of system. FBI do not look and analyze every single document in a box. They don't have the time to do that. What they do though is look at the box, look at what's inside the box and select a few pieces of paper or folders to see what's there. That selection is random and not every folder. Furthermore, if it is discovered that attorney-client documents were discovered. First, they would be notified by the attorneys, second protocols would have agents separate those documents from the other documents at the office where they were analyzing each and every document seized, and it cannot be used in a court of law.

BTW, all my communications with my attorney on certain issues I keep separate and secure, clearly labeling it as communications from the attorney. I do not put anything in there unrelated to that or vice versa.

 

I would call that corruption, or at least similar to corruption depending on whether the report was for regulatory(legal) purposes or not. Perhaps just gross incompetence on the part of the boss or the plant or both, if 'helping the guy out' wasn't transactional. But I dont see how that situation would be an example of authoritarianism or narcissism... not according to either of those definitions.

It almost seems like you're trying to attribute anything people do thats bad with 'authoritarianism.'

 

That would be assuming he KNEW there was a process.

 

You have your method of storage while others have theirs. Surely you're not suggesting everyone is bound by your method?

They were given a broad scope search directive, meaning any box (regardless of its label) could be seized if found among boxes of classified documents.

 

The Attorney/Client documents will be the next argument that Trump and his allies dish out claiming all the documents seized were that. But that will be another bold-face lie by Trump.

If there were a few documents that were attorney/client documents, and that is a big if, then that is really, really piss poor records management. Don't you think?

Unless that box was clearly labeled "communication with my attorney X or subject Y, then you cannot fault the FBI on this.

 

Most people I know do keep those documents separate, period, and have a folder or box labeled as such. It may not be organized in the box or folder while just thrown in there, but most people I know do that sort of thing.

 

Interesting, I'm somewhat inclined then to revise my assertion that Trump is the most corrupt President in my lifetime, but that's just being lazy on my part at the moment because I'm fixin' to head to the store for maybe something to grill on the new gravity feed charcoal grill. I still think my description stands, but apparently I'm going to have to put forth a bit more effort to convince you of it. I'll maybe not get around to that, in which case I'll just say that his predilication for surrounding himself with "yes men" is in play and is more a characteristic of Authoritarianism than it is of corruption, but these behaviors become indistinguishable at some point. Was John Gotti corrupt, or merely Authoritarian? Or, conversely, was he Authoritarian, or merely corrupt?