Graham proposes 15-week abortion bill, dividing Republicans ahead of midterm elections

Please explain in simple terms how the SC took away the right to abortions.

 

I find it ironic that Patricio here has argued until he's blue in the face that no rights are absolute... But here we are, where is is flogging that very idea. It just begs why. The more interesting point is, to your point, the SCOTUS didn't outlaw abortion. They simply placed the decision to the states, where, abortion, as far as I can tell, is still legal in all states. But, hey, that isn't good enough for the folks like Patricio...

 

The SC doesn't/shouldn't make laws. That's the role of the legislative branch of government. So for the SC to abolish abortion they would have to encroach upon the role of that branch. What the SC did was simply recognize that this is a State issue. States are now dealing with it, which as you have rightly pointed out in many cases the citizens of some States have made it known that abortion shall remain available.

 

Again as was said with health exceptions. Sorry, I thought I've been clear.

 

Can you point us to the bill that Democrats have proposed, since they have the house and senate? Are you sure NY and Cali want to give up their no limit abortions?

 

The Constitution is deliberately unclear in a number of respects. Courts interpreting the Constitution isn't "making laws".

 

He wants to add nation wide restrictions while not adding exceptions during the first 16-20 weeks imposed by the fascist Christian nationalist — which is actually what most people want.

 

You even managed to misunderstand your own citation. In doing so, you proved my point. Thanks! Incredible stuff man, truly. The "University Study" you linked does NOT say that 2/3 do not know they're pregnant prior to six weeks. In fact, it says the opposite. This is from your cite:

That means that 67% of women know they're pregnant at six weeks' gestation, and 80% of them know it by seven weeks.

To recap, your original claim was this:

And I responded with this:

Thank you for supplying research that confirms my post that most (67% according to your own cite) women know they're pregnant at six weeks.

What a complete self-own.

 

In the flow of the conversation. Try following along this time:

 

My goodness, try an keep up. Regarding pregnancy..Pregnancyyyyyy

When did anyone suggest the government forced anyone to "get" pregnant?

 

Did you forget your own post again? Here was how you replied to my question:

What did you intend to express by answering my "Who did the government force to get pregnant?" question with "Texas..."?

 

Are you saying that murder is OK when someone has health problems? Please explain.

 

Nope.
First of all women, but overall young girls, shouldn't be ashamed if they get pregnant: it's natural, it happens.
Then, sanitary authorities should help those women / girls to find a way to accept to be pregnant.

Now ... I know the counterargument: what would you suggest to do in case of a rape?
Personally I would leave the choice to the woman.

 

I wasn't answering your question, more like correcting you which not only renders your question irrelevent, but also educates.

 

The Supreme Court does not make laws and rights are not laws, they are embedded in our Constitution through its interpretation of the Constitution. The US Constitution is not written like a recipe with precise measurements, but in general terms with implying that rights shall not be infringed. In simplistic terms, The SC gave the right of abortion via the right to privacy in Roe v Wade and took it away with Dobbs's case. Now states with conservative governors and state legislatures are now dictating the extremism of that decision with 10 states, and growing, with abortion bans with little or no exceptions whatsoever. This has impacted other areas of women's health with doctors trying to make an impossible choice between saving a life or violating the law.

https://lawgovpol.com/implied-right...social values, circumstances and expectations.

 

You've got your talking points down pat. It's too bad you're wrong. If the SC took any rights away explain how it is still possible to get an abortion.

 

Because it's no longer a right, it's a medical procedure. And states can easily restrict, even eliminate, medical procedures altogether if they want to as long as the law is applied equally. The right to equal protection under the law for instance.

 

Oh, so it's not the SC that took away any rights; it's States doing that.

 

Congress needs a mid-term abortion.

 

We're not divided. Graham's wrong.

And, the top issues are crime, inflation, wages and schools.

OUR VIOLENCE IS SPEECH, YOUR SPEECH IS VIOLENCE, EVEN IF IT’S SILENT: Student op-ed calls silent pro-life demonstration ‘violent.’.



'“Oct. 18, thousands of young people in high schools and on college campuses will make a commitment to be silent for all or part of the day, with many taping their mouths shut with red tape, the word LIFE emblazoned across it,” according to Priests for Life. '

Pro-life students told to 'kill themselves' during campus event
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'Despite the event’s being silent and peaceful, González argued that the pro-life protesters were being “violent.”

“There is nothing ‘silent’ about this. This is a violent demonstration of power,” González wrote.'

Too many on the Left want to criminalize disagreement.



They claim it's the other guys who are the Nazis.

 

'“Oct. 18, thousands of young people in high schools and on college campuses will make a commitment to be silent for all or part of the day, with many taping their mouths shut with red tape, the word LIFE emblazoned across it,” according to Priests for Life. '

No way they can do it. They're like vegans and lesbians

 

IMO there is more rationale for a 19 week limit, but I more agree with Dr. Oz that is is none of the federal government's business.

 

The took the right from the individual and gave it to the (state) government. Why should govt have that right and no individuals? Does government know better than an individual?

 

It’s not that states business either

 

States are made up of individual people who have the right to vote for their representatives. If their representatives are not enacting legislation in their interests then simply vote for those who will. It's not like politicians typically ignore the will of the people when it comes to what they enact.