Sorry Liberals, But The Nazis Were Progressive Leftists

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  1. JCS

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    Noooooo...minorities do not make up the "entire platform" of the left lol Talk about living in "bizzaro world". Where did you get this boloney from? Tucker Carlson? The right hates minorities, and is the reason why this is a persistent talking point by them. And you've fallen for this drivel.

    The left's platform concerns ALL people, including poor white people & white working class people, as well as anything else that can be addressed to benefit the nation. As such, the left understands that corruption is at the heart of all the nation's problems. That is, the rich have increasingly been robbing the working class of what belongs to them by stealing taxpayer money (as I outlined above with the list of examples of ongoing corporate welfare).

    Interesting that you never denounce corporations and the wealthy for the trillions in taxpayer money they receive for free. (Why is that??) Yet when money is sought as a means to empower people to get back on their feet, to educate them, to bring them back into a state of health, to help them become productive members of society, to rebuild & maintain our infrastructure, to conserve our natural resources, to implement cleaner energy technologies and so on, you're all against that, claiming that it's all about giving handouts to "minorities". You really need to stop listening to right-wing media. They'll turn you into a retard if you're not careful.
    You really need to read the book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins. You're just parroting standard right-wing FOX News billionaire propaganda. They hate anything that wreaks of socialism or attempt at socialism, which is why the CIA overthrew Iran's Mousedeq and murdered Libya's Gaddafi and Bolivia's Allende. They know that capitalism cannot rape the resources & cheap labor of other nations if their leaders cannot be bribed to reject socialism. And don't forget, we all had to endure the worst & most corrupt "leader" in the entire world----Trump. No wonder Trump's niece called him the "most dangerous man in the world."
    I don't make claims. I present facts, which are not debatable.
     
  2. Pixie

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    Nonsense.
    There are always people who disagree with a democratic decisions too.
    Adults live with it.
    Interesting that you suggest eliminating them...the court is still occupied dealing with those who disagreed with the collective decision of the American people two years ago.
     
  3. XXJefferson#51

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    Please take your own advice and act upon it
     
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    No sir. You need to review your “facts” about the democrat party platform.

    DIRECTLY from the democrat party platform:

    “We will give hate no safe harbor. We will never amplify or legitimize the voices of bigotry, racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or whitesupremacy. Democrats will protect and promote the equal rights of all our citizens—women, LGBTQ+ people, religious minorities, people with disabilities, Native Americans, and all who have been discriminated against in too many ways and for too many generations.”

    Notice who isn’t included in their list of people discriminated against. Poor white people.

    “Median incomes are lower and poverty rates are higher for Black Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and some Asian Americans
    and Pacific Islanders, compared to median white households.”

    Who get compared as the bad guy. White people with their incomes. Any deference or exception given for poor white people? Nope.

    “We cannot hope to raise wages without taking on the profound racial biases at work in our employment system. The wage gap between Black workers and white workers is higher today than it was 20 years ago. It takes a typical Black woman 19 months to earn what a typical white man earns in 12 months—and for typical Latinas and Native American women, it takes almost two years.”

    Who is the bad guy? The white guy. Any deference or exception for the poor white guy? Nope.

    “Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, the uninsured rate was nearly three times higher for Latinos and nearly twice as high for Black Americans as it was for whites. Some segments of the Asian American and Pacific Islander population faced uninsured rates rivaling those of Black Americans and Latinos, and more than one in five Native Americans and Alaska Natives was uninsured. Black children are far more likely than white children to suffer from asthma. Latinos, Native Americans, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, and Black Americans are diagnosed with diabetes at higher rates than whites.”

    Who do they compare it to? Whites. Any exception for poor whites? Nope. Just whites are the bad guys supposedly making more and getting more than others.

    “Black women are more than three times as likely to die from complications of pregnancy and childbirth compared to white women.”

    Any exception for poor white women? Nope. Just white women.

    “The extreme gap in household wealth and income between people of color—especially Black Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans—and whitefamilies is hurting our working class and holding our country back.”

    Any exception for poor white people? Nope. Just white people the bad guys AGAIN.

    “Each year, the United States spends $23 billion more on schools in predominantly white districts than in non-white districts.”

    Any exception for the poor white person? NOPE. Just evil whitey again.

    Please spare us your bullshit about how the democrat party isn’t a party that targets white people as being the bad guys. Moreover they provide NO EXCEPTION for poor whites. So your bullshit about how they don’t have a platform WHOLLY PREDICATED upon racism against whites and identity politics won’t fly here homie.

    You need to get your facts straight.
     
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    Race based help for farmers for one. He literally was going to help farmers so long as they were not white. Even recently Kamala Harris suggested race based help for hurricanes. Guess who was on the bottom of the help list?
     
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    You pay water through taxes? What country do you live in? That is the least knowledgeable comment I have ever seen about water. And people like you think you regulate farmers. This blows me away
     
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    WHEN IT IS NATIONALISED.
    Sigh.
    And don't take a swipe about how I (and by inference " people like me", whatever that is) regulate farmers.
    First I never mentioned farmers
    Second I have some close associations with farmers and have kept a flock of sheep for years until it got to be too much work for a 65 year old.
    You would do well to wind your neck in.
     
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    they were Conservitives
     
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    Nationalized water would kill farmers. Even Carl Marx recognized and was frustrated with the idea of socialized farming and water. You suggesting what you are tells me you know crap about farming.
     
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    Stop sidelining.
    You complained that I said water is paid for through taxes.
    IT IS WHEN NATIONALISED.
    I didn't say if nationalisation is a good idea.
    None of which tells you ANYTHING about whether I know anything about farming.

    Clearly you know nothing about comprehension and logical sequential discussion. The issue I was discussing was socialism and used water AS AN EXAMPLE of a socialised utility.

    I OTOH recognise a desperation to create an argument at any cost.
    Well it won't be with me. Not when you slide off the subject of the OP since you are that desperate to pick a fight.
     
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    Nothing like trying to attribute to Trump the words of a democrat President
     
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    Good thing I'm not doing that.
     
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    Your meme did exactly that
     
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    Nope, not talking about trump.
     
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    Except conservatives are not smear campaigning. They want to outlaw homosexuality, use buzz words like socialism or communism to put the fear of God into the average person as tbeir constant talking point memo. "Deplorable" was used by a few in 2016 on the campaign trail, not as a party as a whole. And thus, another false analogy.
     
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    Shall we talk about you ShadowX? How about your views on Blacks, Hispanics, and your constant use of eugenics to make your argument? The main difference between Nazissm/Fasiscm is that they based their entire belief system on a superior race, the great replacement theory antithesis argument, in their laws and personal beliefs. Anyone who does not meet the standard of a human was considered a nonhuman. And yes, they believed in abortion if and only when that fetus did not meet expectations of perfect physical health, in their view.

    how about the political rhetoric that if you "don't love God, America, and Trump," then you are not a True Patriot? Or that if you criticize the actions of the US government, then you must hate America. Or the fact that MTG and other Christian Nationalists think that theocracy and blind loyalty, a component of being a good Nazi, is a must. The problem is that your side is full of these types of people and yet you ignore it with this deflection argument of yours.
     
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    And yet that is what the Democratic party wants to achieve in the US. It is not socialist but it is a socialist democracy. Or in other words, capitalism is highly regulated by the central government., Are you sure you want to call Democrats socialists who want to achieve this type of economic model for the US?
     
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    Equal rights of all its citizens actually include poor white people. May not state it explicitly, but it is implicit with their platform. What they are arguing is that it makes no difference if a person is gay or straight, black, brown, white, or purple with pink polka-dots for equal protection to apply. Not the same as what Florida is doing, is it? By getting rid of the equal protection of the LGBTQ reference under state law, the state of Florida by statute took away those equal protection rights under the law.

    For economic status and wealth gap, the Democratic party is looking at averages here, not specific. An average white family vs an average black, Hispanic, or even Native American family is proven that the average white family has more pay, weallth, etc than any other group. But as CPAC as said, being poor is your fault
     
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    I challenge you to provide one example of identity politics within the Republican platform. I already named a plethora of them in the democrat platform.

    See what your talking about is a result of individualized racism. It’s not possible to remove that from the individual people. However what we do NOT expect is for that type of behavior to become systemic or institutionalized as part of their party’s ethos. Which is why you won’t find those types of identity politics within the Republican platform but the democrat party platform is LOADED with them.

    Furthermore, since you want to talk about my personal views, am I racist? Absolutely, I believe everyone is to a certain extent but am I more than average? Yes.

    With that being said I don’t sit here and pretend to be about equality for all while I hold those beliefs. YOU on the other hand believe that white privilege is real and that the identity politics of pitting all non-whites against the whites (such as the examples I provided earlier) is not problematic whatsoever.

    So while I may be racist. At least I’m honest.
     
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    No sir it is NOT implied. As I pointed out in the post you quoted they make NO EXCEPTIONS for poor white people. They simply refer to white people. Which ALL of those statistics include the poor white people with the rest of the whites as well.
     
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    Why on earth should the word"socialism" put the fear of God into anyone?
    The USA is riddled with invisible socialism.
     
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    Tell me shadowx.
    Do you support your bill of human rights as an echo of the UN Charter of 1948?
    Because if you do, you don't score political points based on the colour of skin someone lives in.
     
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    Are you referring to the meaningless declaration of human rights? If so, that has no authority nor is it enforced. Especially given that the UN consists of China who is openly enslaving and murdering its people. Not even to mention the multitude of Islamic states.

    If you’re talking about the Bill of Rights then yes I do believe in them. Well most of them, with a caveat and exceptions.

    For instance an exception would be that I’m okay with the state recognizing marriage however I don’t believe incestuous couples should be allowed to have their marriages recognized by the state.

    The caveat being much of what we understand as civil rights resulted from the 14th amendment and that amendment is, by constitutional dictate, unconstitutional.
     
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    The UN convention on Human Rights is very close to western values inscribed in the constitutions of countries like the UK and France, achieved in the 18th century.
    You cannot reject the UN version of the rights you have in your Bill of Rights, also developed in the 18th century.
    IOW you can't reject one without the other.
     
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    False. There’s no right to rest and leisure in our constitution.

    There’s no right to unemployment or disability.

    There’s no special right that motherhood and childhood enjoys. And might I add they added that bullshit right after talking about how everyone should be treated equally regardless of sex or gender. Unless I guess it’s men and fatherhood being discriminated against which apparently is fine. Hypocrites.

    We aren’t obligated to and have no duty to the “community” as that ridiculous charter claims.

    And we sure as HELL don’t have ANY responsibility to comply with this bullshit here:
    1. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
    I’m an American citizen and more importantly a free man and I’ll exercise my rights any way I damn well please. And if that doesn’t fit with the principles and purposes of the UN, they can kiss my white “privileged” ass.
     
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