Why are cons ALWAYS on the wrong side of history?

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  1. TheTruthHurts

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    So it bothers you that President Trump's supporters like The Dukes of Hazzard?
     
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    True answer.
     
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    Make America Corrupt Again
     
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    No, just convenient.
     
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    ?
     
  7. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Spending is the problem. That is what needs to be attacked and fixed.
     
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    Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, these polls are ALL Americans, not just Trump supporters. 70% of ALL Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction. Ignore that at your peril in November.
     
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    Yes. Evasion of the point. A lack of savvy. A few others, but that is sufficient.
     
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    One should of course note that federal spending is congress's bailiwick not the presidents. And further that such spending is hardwired into the system long before Trump took office.
     
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    I am not a cheerleader for either party. Im just an independent with good eyesight. While both parties are bad for the bottom 99%, Dems are just a little worse.
     
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    Well you failed to make that argument. But as I said before, if you don't actually have an argument you don't have to actually respond.
     
  13. JonK22

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    "So when has the last CON been in charge?"

    You forgot to demean this question?
     
  14. JonK22

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    If you believe in myths as a adult? I'd say no, no mind there
     
  15. JonK22

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    True that's all it is :)
     
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    Yet anyone with any honesty would acklowedge Prez policy matters and without working with it, they'd need 67% of Congress to pass bills, without vetoes

    I remember from about 15 years ago that was the rights assertion with Ronnie Reagan, but the budget he submitted, as required by law, never was off by 1/2 of 1% (bigger than, not smaller) of the final budget that did get passed in any of the 8 years
     
  17. JonK22

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    Cool, I will simply because they believe it, and they don't assert it's because of GOP policy, doesn't mean much. But I know about 60% believe Trump should be investigated too
     
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    Nope you are here simply to throw crap against the wall, never to actually bring anything to any debate
     
  19. JonK22

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    Got it, you "believe" Trump no matter what history or math says. Got it
     
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    That was Diaper Donnie

    Here Are Some of the People Trump Pardoned


    In his final hours as president, Donald J. Trump doled out pardons and commutations to dozens of people, including supporters, political figures, rappers and defendants in high-profile criminal cases.

    ...Charles Kushner, the father of his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner; Paul Manafort, his 2016 campaign chairman; and Roger J. Stone Jr., his longtime informal adviser and friend whose sentence the president had commuted in July.


    Mr. Bannon, working with a wounded Air Force veteran and a Florida venture capitalist, conspired to cheat hundreds of thousands of donors by falsely promising that their money had been set aside for new sections of wall, according to court documents.

    The pardon of Mr. Bannon was notable because he had been charged with a crime but had yet to stand trial. An overwhelming majority of pardons and commutations granted by presidents have been for those convicted and sentenced.


    Elliott Broidy
    Mr. Broidy, a California businessman, was a leading fund-raiser for Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign

    Mr. Broidy admitted that he had accepted $9 million from Jho Low, a Malaysian financier, some of which was then paid to an associate, to push the Trump administration for the extradition of a Chinese dissident and to drop a case related to an embezzlement scheme from a Malaysian sovereign wealth fund that the United States has accused Mr. Low of engineering


    Anthony Levandowski

    Mr. Levandowski, a Silicon Valley star and pioneer of self-driving car technology, was sentenced in August to 18 months in prison for stealing self-driving car trade secrets from Google


    Mr. Hayes, a former chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party who is known as Robin, received a full pardon after being accused in 2019 of bribery and conspiracy to commit honest services wire fraud, along with several counts of making false statements. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to one year of probation.

    Mr. Renzi, a former representative for Arizona, was pardoned. In 2013, he was sentenced to 36 months in prison in association with a bribery scheme involving an Arizona land swap deal.

    Mr. Cunningham, a former representative for California known as Duke, received a conditional pardon. In 2006, he was sentenced to eight years and four months in prison for taking $2.4 million in bribes from military contractors in return for smoothing the way for government contracts.

    ...n the hour before his term expired, Mr. Trump also pardoned Albert J. Pirro Jr., an administration official said. Mr. Pirro, a Republican businessman and the ex-husband of Jeanine F. Pirro, the Fox News host, was convicted in 2000 of conspiracy and tax evasion and sentenced to 29 months in a federal prison.

    • William T. Walters, a wealthy sports gambler, had his sentence commuted. A jury convicted Mr. Walters in 2017 on charges related to his role in an insider-trading scheme, and he was sentenced to five years in prison. Mr. Walters hired Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer John M. Dowd in 2018, after he stopped representing Mr. Trump, The New York Times reported this week. Mr. Dowd bragged to Mr. Walters and others that he could help them receive a pardon because of his close relationship with the president.
    • Paul Erickson, the former boyfriend of the Russian operative Maria Butina, who was briefly pulled into the investigation of Mr. Trump by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel. Mr. Erickson was convicted last July of wire fraud and money laundering and sentenced to 84 months in prison on charges that related to his work in 2017 on a business deal in the Bakken oil fields of North Dakota.
    • George Gilmore, a New Jersey Republican power broker, who was convicted last January of failure to file payroll taxes for employees and making a false statement on a loan application, was also given a full pardon.
    • Eliyahu Weinstein, who was sentenced to more than 20 years in prison in 2014 for a real estate Ponzi scheme that prosecutors said caused $200 million in losses, had his remaining jail sentence commuted.
    https://www.nytimes.com/article/who-did-trump-pardon.html

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    Oh! Were you debating? I thought you were just towing a party line. Lets take a good look at Dem history and where we are today as a result.

    Dems don't have unobstructed control of the country, but they do control California. Poverty, crime, crumbling infrastructure, poor performing schools, and high taxes.

    This is the total sum of Dem history.
     
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    I don't know that we ever had one.
     
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    I would recommend not throwing stones from your class house.
     
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    Why are cons ALWAYS on the wrong side of history?

    Why are liberals ALWAYS on the wrong side of common sense?
     
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    Not sure how to interpret this.. If it means that history is not written by conservatives. then that is because the Left steals elections.
     

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