New York to begin sweeping homeless off the streets, arrest mentally ill

Get ready to fight squatters rights.

 

no different from forcing someone to go to drug rehab vs doing time, it's done all the time

 

Drugs are illegal. Being a nutjob isn't.

 

I said there has to be a crime first, otherwise how do you trade time for treatment

 

I would say that forcing a drug addict into treatment is not the same thing as forcing a person with mental issues into treatment.
The drug addict made a choice to take those drugs and had personal agency over their situation. There is a real hope that they can get better and return to normalcy if they are forced off drugs for a period of time and are given treatment. The drug addict is causing their own situation by continuing to take those drugs.
In one way, the two are even complete opposites: In the case of drug addicts we are trying to force them to stop taking drugs, whereas in the case of those rounded up for "mental health" we would be trying to force them to take drugs. Drugs that are not going to automatically "cure" them and can be questionable.

I don't have a problem with forcing homeless drug addicts into treatment, but the homeless with only mental health problems are a different issue.

How about if they just voluntarily offered those homeless mental health treatment? I'm sure many of them would take them up on the offer just to get a warm place to sleep.

 

well if the mentally ill person on the street is not capable of getting better, then are they a danger to themselves or others, if they are committing crimes, then yes

remember, only if they commit a crime, the treatment is what allows them to avoid jail, their choice, nothing is "forced"

perfectly legal to be a alcoholic, but if one commit crimes under the influence, then one needs help

 

Let's not overgeneralize. It depends on the severity of the crime.
If they tried to stab someone in an unprovoked attack, then sure, force treatment on them.
That isn't what this story is talking about though. They are going to round up people who have committed no crime (other than being homeless).

 

they could trade 30 days of jail for treatment, it's up to them

if they try to stab someone... prison, they can get treatment there

I doubt they plan to round up people not committing crime and force treatment on them, that would cost to much and get shot down in the courts

even getting caught defecating or urinating in public is enough of a crime

 

• In September 2022, there were 60,252 homeless people, including 19,310 homeless children, sleeping each night in New York City’s main municipal shelter system. A near-record 20,764 single adults slept in shelters each night in September 2022.
• Research shows that the primary cause of homelessness, particularly among families, is lack of affordable housing. Surveys of homeless families have identified the following major immediate, triggering causes of homelessness: eviction; doubled-up or severely overcrowded housing; domestic violence; job loss; and hazardous housing conditions.
• Research shows that, compared to homeless families, homeless single adults have higher rates of serious mental illness, addiction disorders, and other severe health problems

https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/basic-facts-about-homelessness-new-york-city/

So basically just targeting single adults. What about all the families with children? What the mayor is doing is downright idiocy.

 

agree, cheap affordable housing would go along way to putting a big dent in this

 

Absolutely.

 

I think that most of the mentally ill that committing crimes in NYC already have long criminal histories and they keep getting let out of jail. Places like NYC need tougher Judges and sentences so a lot of these people never see freedom again. The focus should be on protecting the citizens, not protecting the criminals but somewhere along the line, they seem to have lost that focus. Nobody likes innocent people going to prison or police brutality but criminals have too many rights and too many sympathisers.

 

No, left wing propaganda claims the primary cause of homelessness is the lack of 'affordable housing'. There are innumerable social programs to give families free everything. Your source is the Coalition for the Homeless, a loony left wing advocacy group.

The primary causes of homelessness are untreated mental illness and drug addiction. I know this because I used to volunteer to go around NYC giving them food.

 

Are you unable to read?

• Research shows that the primary cause of homelessness, particularly among families, is lack of affordable housing.
• Research shows that, compared to homeless families, homeless single adults have higher rates of serious mental illness, addiction disorders, and other severe health problems

 

Did you see a lot of "families" or mostly just single men/women or groups of non-related indivuals standing in line to get food or staying in shelters. My experience in volunterring (Especially on Thansgiving) was not families at all but mostly men/women and no kids at all. Families always seem to find ays to survive and get help.

Thanks for volunteering, I wish more people did. It's quite an insight into poverty and homelessness.

 

I don't remember the threads I learned this from, but I have come to be under the impression that most people living on the streets are either drug addicts or the mentally ill.

Cheap housing won't help them.

Bussing them out just shifts the responsibility onto someone else and doesn't help them.

What will help them? A well-funded mental health system after forced treatment. IMHO they are in no condition to give consent on anything, including the direction of their lives and the choice of treatment. They are not of sound mind at all. The best we can hope for is that the treatment will clear up their minds enough to being somewhat rational. Only then can we provide community supports that might work. Before that nothing!

 

cheap housing reduces the problem, but you are right, it wont solve it

we also need assisted living for the mentally ill and treatment for the addicts

many addicts become addicts because they can't afford to survive in society.... so they check out... give up

 

I think no matter what we do, we will always have those who fall out of our standard societal norms. It's really an interesting thought/study.

 

The left are slowly beginning to realize that their liberal policies have made things worse.

 

Sounds a bit like this:

 

Yup. Ideas like "let's give them free crack pipes" aren't helping them, and those sort of ideas / programs (and their originators) deserve to be mocked.

 

Does this mean that the woke has woken up finally?

 

This sounds like a net win for society. Them being on the streets in front of schools and homes is not helping the mentally ill. If we're not going to help them either way (and I think we need to be a bit more honest with ourselves, as a society generally, about the very real limits of our ability to help many of these people), then we might as well at least keep them from harming the children, elderly, homes and businesses, etc of the rest of us.

It's more than an "inconvenience" when a homeless nut stabs your father in the neck with a knife, or rapes and robs your wife.

 

Something like this?

 

Ya and if we heavily police those areas as they will be rampant in crime, are you gonna call that racist?