Elon Musk's Ego Threatens To Drive Twitter off a Cliff

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no point. You obviously have no interest in understanding what is said- only in achieving some kind of victory.
    That is your only metric, you don't understand or try to understand anything else. You are entitled to do that, but I have no interest in trying to change that, it would be useless.

    There are many situation in life where you either get it- or you don't.
    If you understand, no explanation is necessary. If you do not, no explanation is possible. The End.
    You're not alone. Millions of minds have the same kind of boundaries, and minds can't think effectively outside the capacity of their own limits. Think of it as the way you are programmed.
    CP/M does not communicate with UNIX. Your programming and mine- are not compatible. Tell yourself you've won something, pat yourself on the back and give it up.
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your suggestion that Google and Apple are primarily platforms of "the Left," and not, firstly, secondly, and thirdly, money-making, capitalist business enterprises, seems ridiculous. For me to take such an idea seriously, you would need provide a much better argument, than merely saying, "That's not really debatable when you look at the censorship history." IOW, your supposition obviously begs for you to offer some of this censorship history, if you wished to try to convince anyone, as you have apparently been convinced, by it.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking the same thing. I'm fully aware that Musk is smarter than I am and a better entrepreneur. I wouldn't have done what he did with Twitter but that just underscores the difference between him and the rest of us.
     
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    Why could he not write an app for Iphone users and give it away on his site? Given the threats I would bet he already has someone working on it. Even I would have figured that out.
     
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    I do not think Musk really planned to buy Twitter, he backed himself into a corner

    Musk will be lucky to even break even on this deal, could be the thing that brings him down a few notches too as he is now ruining his image

    but don't worry about Musk, regardless, he still has plenty of money, he will be fine
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I am in a similar position. Although I've been an entrepreneur for over 50 years, and pretty successful- in terms of scale, not comparable, not even on his list. Musk has no equals that I know of, particularly in multi-field successes.

    This when we should be paying attention to see what we can learn- because it's clear he knows some pretty valuable things we do not.
    First thing you have to do to learn from such a person is to stop telling yourself you are smarter than they are!
     
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    So what do you think we should all learn from what he is doing now?
     
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    It's quite simple, if liberals don't want to get on twitter, they don't have too. They have that freedom.

    Besides, if there are so many supposed horrible things about Musk, and Twitter, why would Democrats and their media care so much about it, and about being on there?
    they care because the platform has so much name recognition. Therefore it will attract and keep so many people on the platform, no matter what the democrats and their medi and politicians say or do. That is why they despise musk, and can't stand that he bought it. Choice. Freedom of Speech, that they can't control. They hate it.
    The majority of platforms on the internet are liberal. There are plenty to chose from. Stop whining, and start packing. Go some where else!
     
  9. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, because there are absolutely no examples, in history, of highly successful people, making stupendously ruinous blunders.


    Your theory is based on a fallacy, that the wisdom of anyone's future actions, can be accurately predicted, based on that person's past track record. This is patently false. The reasonable attitude, is to consider a person's past successes, among the information, upon which one is basing their assessment, of a current project. But to ignore everything except for their past success, is sheer foolishness! In fact, I would bet that Musk, himself, has never followed such a blatantly oversimplified practice.

    No matter how successful is Elon Musk-- even if SpaceX were to become the world's most profitable business-- I would still be dubious of his claims, if he thought he could jump off of a cliff, and fly, through his own will, alone.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While it's a bit early to see results of what he's doing now, it pretty obvious that he intends to put a stop to the manipulation of content to intentionally control public perceptions.

    The worst regimes in history all relied on the fact that when you can control what people can see to draw their conclusions- you control those people's perceptions and therefore their beliefs.
    For example, it's looking like the efforts of twitter censors to protect Hunter and Joe Biden by hiding the stories being generated by the contents of Hunter's laptop are exactly that; and one of several things musk intends to expose and intends to stop in future practices. If there's no dirt there- no problem. But then, why would they need to bury it? That is the real problem.

    Nobody can effectively manage their life on the basis of incomplete, selectively presented information. That is a kind of scam, a con job designed to manipulate and deceive them.
    Nobody has the right to control your mind in that way, either. It's more than illegal, it's immoral and an attack on the independence of your fellow man's rights.
    Musk may make mistakes- but I don't think he is trying to, and his past history has shown he can handle what he takes on with consistent success.
    When a critic comes forward that can do better and doesn't present his case with character assassination, we can hear what he has to say.
     
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    And that belief is because you are so incredibly, stupendously smart.... and don't understand when you are looking just the opposite, so you double down....
    It's getting embarrassing to watch..
     
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    You are having an angry day. Sorry to see that. I don't think you are in a position to criticize him.
     
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    I've been an entrepreneur for only 30 years but I have managed to make a decent living from it. Musk is something special.
     
  14. DEFinning

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    Well, you are wrong, on both counts.

    So I guess, with your capricious utterances, you are not having a lucky day.

    BTW, this was the point of my post-- since you don't seem to be having a very perceptive day, though I don't know if that is a departure from your norm-- that a person does not
    need to be a financial equal of another person, in order to have a valid opinion of any business decision they make, other than, "Oh, Elon, you're so wonderful!"
     
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    I can't be wrong. I only stated an opinion. Opinions are not right or wrong. I will amend my statement, though. Instead of your having an angry day I'll just say you are partisan with poor talking points.
     
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    Really?

    Unfortunately, based on the rest of your posts to me, today, this represents how much thought you put into your replies.


    BTW-- there had been an edit to my prior post, after you'd taken it, for your quote.
     
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    I take nothing away from Musk's past accomplishments. I only realize, unlike you, that this is no guarantee that anything he touches, will turn to gold. This is so patently true-- that failures can follow great successes-- that it should not even need be demonstrated. But, to reiterate one analogy I've already made: by your standard, anyone expressing the opinion that it was unwise for Putin to invade Ukraine-- unless that person had also successfully orchestrated invasions of other countries-- would have been "in no position to criticize" Vlad.

    It seems that you are among those who are enamored of Musk. Your opinion, then, is not one formed from reason, but from admiration.
     
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    Robert Reich predicted a global recession should Trump be elected in 2016. He is not an objective analyst.
     
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    And this is your usual **** & bull, of telling a poster all about himself, though without providing a shred of evidence for any of your baseless contentions-- unlike the post of mine, to which, yours a response. That is why I used ellipses, in place the word "you," in your unsupported judgements. My post, which you say has "no point," actually did quote your words, to back up every contention, I'd made. Therefore, it is you, who manifestly does not "understand or try to understand." But I am sure you do understand, this much: I have disproven your argument, on the merits, and so now you are coming after me, personally, after you've seen that you can't measure up, by sticking to the topic of debate.


    Your allegations are utterly false, as I had been in the process of showing how I had responded to every point you had raised, and how you had ignored my own points (as you do, here). So, your analysis of me, it is most reasonable to see, as an indictment of your own means of operating. That is why you can speak of it, so knowingly.


    Your view is set, and not even something that has been arrived at, through strictly logical means. It is part of your worldview, which elevates, lionizes, glorifies, even deifies, the richest and most financially successful in society, who should never be questioned, second-guessed, or anything but appreciated, if not adored, by those who do not, financially, stand out. But
    here is where my assessment of you, differs from your own tripe-- purporting to be depicting my mindset, without offering a single quote, in support. I can, and will quote supporting evidence of my assertions:


    How dare people, who are less successful, think their opinions count for anything!

    One's "capacity for success," is the ultimate arbiter of all.
    How you could possibly have a clue, as to what is my success "capacity," though, is a bit of a mystery-- do you understand the meaning of the word "capacity?"

    Perhaps it was just a "typo?"



     
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    How do I know about you? Because you keep telling me. You tell me who you think you are, what you think you know, why it must be so.
    I look at the positions you take and the rational you use to know who you are. These are drastically different views from what you see yourself, and you are obviously unaware of what you showing to me. To succeed at anything you have to have a certain capacity- to grasp what's real, to know what you have and don't have, in order to know how you can use your resources to handle it. I think you come up short on both counts. Just my opinion, but that's how you read- and I've been reading people for a long time, taught classes and trained fortune 500 managers in the skill. Doesn't mean I can't be wrong- just means I am an expert at it and am usually right.

    If your concept of math stated 2+2 was 5, I would know you lacked the capacity to balance your checkbook.... I wouldn't have to look at the checkbook or anything else to know. It's a little more complicated than that,. but not much.

    Anyone can have a valid opinion when they speak of something they really know and understand. Bloomberg is a billionaire, but stood up and said people who lose their positions can just become farmers- because all you have to to is poke a hole in the ground, drop in a seed and add water- and you're a farmer.
    Every farmer in the country knew he was a moron when it came to farming.
    He proved it, all by himself, and every farmer an gardener could see it.

    You are judging everything I say- but lacking the understanding of what you are talking about. So you are entitled to have an opinion, even if you don't realize what you are showing in the process.
     
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    If you understand simple things, why don't you realize that, before you quote someone's post, you should first read it? If you had, I don't know why you wouldn't realize, that nothing you wrote, has to do with anything that I'd written.

    It seems you'd only read the title, and assumed the rest. Well, you'd assumed wrongly. My perspective had been from a business angle. I don't use Twitter; so my OP has nothing to do with sour grapes.

    I read a little bit further, just in case you weren't totally clueless--
    -- but clearly, you were.
     
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    And HOW DID I KNOW, that your post, about what I "tell you," would include NO QUOTES, OF ME, DOING THAT?


    The answer, is because that is your habit, to try to rest everything you assert, on only the authority of your word. In truth, though, it is mostly just bullshit. Obviously, what you say that you know about me-- without quotes, demonstrating your contentions-- has no credibility, whatsoever. I might just as well say that I know what you ate for dinner, last night.
    Only bullshit!
     
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    Fair point. Though the basis of his critique, here, was different than such a speculative claim, as you cite. This was more, just a basic understanding of Twitter's business model.
     
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    And now all you need do is supply a quote, in which I am saying, to your ears, that 2+2= 5, and you may have succeeded in something I'm not sure I've ever seen you truly accomplish:
    presenting a legitimate argument.
     
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    You assume that unless I prove something to you by YOUR ways of looking at things, that it can't be real. Of course, anything outside of that can't be real and is therefore bullshit to you. I understand you don't see beyond that limit, and you have every right to continue to do so.
     

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