Elon Musk's Ego Threatens To Drive Twitter off a Cliff

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    You are using a false analogy here. Yes, Musk is successful, but at the heart of that success is his innovative ideas with EV vehicles and space exploration vehicles. Those are very different from a social media platform where he attempted to change the content creator industry with that charge he was proposing, among other things.

    The false analogy here is that you are equating success in the past with success now. And that never happens. Steve Jobs was a very successful man, but he lost Apple and got it back again. His other company, Next never took off in the same way as Apple did when he was the owner/founder in the early days. And if you look at the most successful people, they lose more than they succeed.

    I don't think he understands this business completely. He has a political idea to try to make it a business model. And that usually does not work in most cases. Twitter has a lot of users, but slowly they are leaving, and that is not stopping. He knows this, we know this, and everyone knows this. It is just time, and that time will be the next debt payment in 2023, which will be $1 billion dollars. If the continuing dripping of losing users, no advertisers to pay for services for Twitter continues, Twitter, and Musk will have no choice but to file Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.

    Remember, Trump's businesses did this 6 times and Trump calls himself the most successful businessman ever.
     
  2. Battle3

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    The obvious question is - who are you to judge Musk? Have you reformed the auto industry, built a private space launch company, setup a global system to bring the internet to all people in all countries, and have enough credibility & trust to convince people to back you in purchasing twitter? Nope, you're just a blabber on an anonymous forum.

    And Twitter is doing just fine. It will be better than it was under the censors, it already is.
     
  3. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    I only read the "highlights" from the first one, and didn't see much, in comparison to what was being alleged. Does this seem patriotic, to you-- to have proof of some grand conspiracy, by the current administration, to manipulate our entire populace, yet to dole it out in little dribs & drabs? That seems like someone trying to get as much mileage as possible, out of something underwhelming.

    As to your accusations, there is nothing intrinsically wrong, or illegal, with cooperating "with the FBI...the Biden White House." Any wrongdoing would be contingent upon how and why it "cooperated." You did not supply that information. Nor did you offer any proof, even of the cooperation.

    And you could not close with a weaker argument, than "lawsuits are already being prepared." Do you not know that one can prepare a lawsuit, without any basis whatsoever? There were 60-- or was it 80?-- lawsuits, over the supposed 2020 election fraud. It was meaningless.



    There is zero proof in your post, for your assertion that events have proven me "incredibly wrong." Nor do you even explain, what you mean by that. Is that your idea of having proven a point: your merely staying it? If so, your own credibility is less than mine.

    I have already provided sources, showing that FBI briefings went on with the full knowledge of the Trump Administration, and that their intent was to avoid foreign information leaks, meant to affect our election. It seems that you are trying to be a poor man's Elon, by making as much hay as possible (and directing it against me) without having proof of much of anything.
     
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  4. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you never even consider, that you do not apply the same standards to yourself, as you think qualify as arguments against others? If that is going to be your criterion, above, I would happily retract everything, if you did the same, of all those, whom you would then, by the same standard, be unqualified to judge. IOW, "the obvious" reply, is: who are you, to judge President Biden? How large was the country (or even state) which you ran? How many foreign dictators, with nuclear arms, have you tried to counter? How many national health emergencies, border crisis, etc , etc., have you successfully solved? Let me guess: ZERO?

    So, will you agree that you have no basis for criticizing President Biden? Or the heads of our National Intelligence & Security agencies? Etc? Etc? If not-- bullshit walks; and take with you, your silly contention, that no one who is less successful than Elon, has any right to have anything but a glowing opinion, of anything he does. By that measure, I guess the richest man in the world is incapable of making a mistake, huh? Rather, that he should be immune, from anyone
    suggesting that he has made a misstep, I guess, is your point.


    You're already breaking your own standard: my last source, was a former U.S. Secretary of Labor-- do you have credentials to match that? If not, then it is not your place, to contradict him: the exact point that you just made to me, regarding Musk.


    Unlike
    you???
     
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  5. Battle3

    Battle3 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting that you admit you only read the highlights of the first Twitter release yet comment on the entire subject.

    Read all 4 releases, or just read the summaries from Taibbi and Weiss and Shellenberger. Once you are educated you can come back here and apologize to everyone.
     
  6. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    I told you, the summary of the first one, left me uninterested in the rest. If you are trying to use something from one of the others, but do not bother to lay it out, it is not my responsibility to figure out, what you might be thinking of.

    I didn't comment "on the entire subject." I gave my impression, from the first big reveal. The rest of my comment was on your post, which was devoid of any evidence, factual or otherwise.


    EDIT: You couldn't figure out that these comments were specifically about your post?
     
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