Donald Trump is the worst president in US History

You make a bunch of accusations ... all of them false that I can tell backing none of them up .. there was no inappropriate comparison to what the Nazi's did.. what strawman .. what partisanship ?

Just twirling around foaming at the mouth .. which is fine .. foam away .. but at least back up your accusations.

It was you ... right in your post that engages in what you accused me of .. "Strawman" claiming that I said the effort to save as many lives as possible was authoritarian .. when I said exactly what was authoritarian .. the propaganda .. the lies ..

"conflate mandate with force" - .. are you unaware that a mandate "IS FORCE" by definition ?? talk about partisan blindness .. projecting your failings onto me .. Your the partisan wonk make .. and you don't make some big secret of it .. not me .. I am the one with way better arguments against Trump than you .. and your ridiculous "exaggerations" "Not comparing Trump to Hitler the Genocidal maniac" . what is this nonsense .. nonsensical exaggerations .. another projection in my direction.

Why are you talking about mind manipulation ? while an interesting point .. has ZERO to do with Covid discussion and Biden's use of propaganda .. other than trying to claim Trump did it so its OK that Biden does.

some explaining to do you have.. what a pathetic vomit of fallacy and projection .. misunderstanding .. misapprehension ..

 

Your response tells me everything I need to know.

During the next election why don’t you create a category on the ballots that says “check here if you want America to fail miserably”.

 

You sir need a history lesson: focus on Germany 1933. That’s where our country is now.

 

Really? I believe we are living it and if we are living it, it is fact.

Nice attempt but next time use it in someone who doesn’t know any better.

 

President Trump tried, but the 99% corrupt politicians (including the corrupt republican party did all they could to stop him. Once again, life was good under President Trump, then deteriorated quickly under the corpse formally known as biden.

You can argue all you want but reality and facts are the ultimate proof.

 

This^ post keep flailing and failing all over the place and all that's on display is personalization and a "grievance victimization". The only one that's wanting America to fail is the RW partisan projectionist.

 

You wrote:

Take the Pandemic for example Biden turned into a full up Nazi like Authoritarian and corruption was rampant.

The Nazi/authoritarian characterization is unwarranted.

You omitted some facts about 'corruption'.

1. The corruption was committed by many affluent applicants abusing the system. A number of them were Republicans in the legislature. Could the design of the PPP program have been better? Yes. That criticism is warranted.
2. But, although one could argue 'poor design', but, to be fair, it must be factored in that a massive economic crash was eminent and they had to infuse the economy with cash as soon as possible.. Your failure to nuance the corruption accurately could easily give the impression that it was Biden's administration who was corrupt, which is false. Whether you did this intentionally, or your thinking is mushy and not well thought out, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assert it is the latter. But, you are in good company, mushy thinking is common throughout the internet debate world.

I've stated this many times in my posts, if I don't cite a source to back up my claim, and it's a data point, I'll provide it on request.

If there is no source, it's a generalization of some kind, it's an opinion and I usually preface a statement that is an opinion as 'in my opinion'. Do sometimes I forget to do this? No doubt. But, assume it as I don't mean to give an opinion, if it is an opinion, as fact.

All politicians are given to getting facts wrong, that's not a lie. I lie is deception, intentionally delivered. If you are accusingi Biden of lies, what, specifically, are you referring to? And...

What 'propaganda' are you referring to?

Not if it gives a choice, not if refusal isn't illegal. You could call it coercive, but we were facing a national pandemic, and something had to be done. I do agree that there are legitimate criticisms, on both sides, about the execution and decisions of what is needed, but you know the old saying, 'hindsight is 20/20' and let's be cautious not to be monday morning QBs.

Oh, I don't know about that, but, at least you are on the right side of the argument.

I criticized your comparison of Biden to 'nazi/authoritarian' methods, which is just criticism. Since others have levied the same criticism against me, in anticipation you would do the same because of the just criticism above, I explained that when I made a Nazi reference regarding Trump, I wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler, the man, the genocidal maniac, I was comparing Trump's methods which are right out of the demagogue's playbook, the kind that Hitler used, and though I didn't mention it, it's the same playbook many demagogues use, such as Mussolini, etc. So the comparison was methods to methods, not man to man. Yet those who criticize me fail to make this distinction. You are just making vacuous allegations, and my statement above, is accurate. It is, in fact, precise.

What, precisely, to you believe is propaganda by Biden? At least you should mention it.

No, the above is accurate.

 

Inadequate rebuttal: comment is vague.

 

I did.

Your rebuttal is inadequate: Your quote truncated my post, and you did not rebut the points made.

Fail.

 

the evidence doesn't support that contention, in my view.
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I stated why you are incorrect in a previous rebuttal, and you haven't refuted the points raised, you choose to ignore them

Fail.

 

1) I gave specific examples of "Nazi Like Authoritarianism" .. you failed to address any of the examples given .. just rolled around on the floor spewing false accusations .. you crying "Unwarranted" does not make it so.

2)" Mandate is not force" .. Yes it is .. your claim "not if refusal isn't illegal - gives a choice" is ridiculously false nonsense on steroids.

Coercion is force Mate .. your boss telling you .. Blow Job or there is the door .. is illegal .. and yes ..threatening one's livlihood is force .. .. by definition in law. .. A pathetic argument .. almost hoping it was disingenuous .. as the alternative is ..

 

Once again, I HATE ALL POLITICIANS!!
You folks want to argue, that’s ok, go argue with someone who argues back: I hate repubs, I hate dems, whatever!!

Defending someone, ANYONE who could care less about you, or your families situation is a recipe for disaster, just travel to Germany (like I have) and talk to a few who witnessed hitler and the holocaust and you’ll see what I’m saying.

 

Not really if your educated about what hitler forced the Germans into.

 

I had respect for you you sir, I don’t now.

 

Of course it doesn’t, you sir are more interested in defending democrats than in researching facts that might help your fellow citizens.

GOD help us we are right we’re the corrupt politicians want us.

 

Surely you jest,
Trump and his little soldiers who carried out/ignored this policy are evil personified.


Close to 1,000 migrant children separated by Trump yet to be ...
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3 days ago — Nearly 1000 migrant children separated at the U.S.-Mexico border by the administration of former President Donald Trump have yet to be ...


U.S. Loses Track of Another 1500 Migrant Children ...
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Sep 18, 2018 — WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is unable to account for the whereabouts of nearly 1,500 migrant children who illegally entered the ...


Trump child separation policy akin to kidnapping - The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › us-news › jun › trump-f...
Jun 20, 2018 — Maureen Franco, head of the public defender's office, says parents are 'inconsolable' at having their children taken from them.

 

So you are sidestepping and moving away from your failed position, whatever it was, and reaching to frame a new strawman? Let me help, the new strawman isn't any better and still a flailing failure.

 

If mandates were force It would be a violation of your civil liberties and the ACLU would definitely oppose it

Well let's hear what the ACLU has to say about mandates

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/civil-liberties-and-vaccine-mandates-heres-our-take

Clearly you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Note there is no counter argument to the fact that the ACLU would oppose any violation of your civil liberties.

SCOTUS has ruled on vaccine mandates in favor of them. I'll hunt for the citation if you want it.

 

Don't bother .. no need .. your still wrong .. and horribly so ... but do appreciate the effort .. didn't realize ACLU had lost its mind .. or .. actually I think I did hear this somewhere but didn't follow up

Now .. if the above were true .. and a few criteria .. one could say the violation of civil liberties was justified... What is not true is that essential liberty is not violated. "Vax or lose your Job" is force .. .is a violation of essential liberty

The question is whether or not that violation is justified .. and since the above is raging falsehood the vax neither safe nor effective .. the violatoin is not justified.

.

 

Don’t misquote me democrat lover. I HATE ALL POLITICIANS PERIOD.
These worthless corrupt politicians the you CHOOSE to elect, admire, and fight for are ruining our country.

Just so you are clear about my beliefs:

President Trump being elected to office only to have resistance from almost EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN ABLE TO HELP MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR THE TAXPAYERS of our country has made me realize that politicians love themselves and their families but couldn’t care less about what us hardworking taxpayers and our families want.

 

Misquote you, lol? Grasping for another strawman while proving the desperation of Trump lovers and the grievance they are trained to cling to? That's ironic and yet sadly understandable for many that worship at to feet of a demigod.

 

Cute quote, yes do not misquote me like so many on his forum usually do. I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY POLITICIANS. You seem to think I support republicans, I DO NOT. I voted for President Trump because politicians running our country are stupid out of control.

Just look at how things are now and you…..
Never mind, go back to your Facebook or Twitter, or whatever social media you are obviously tuning into.

and what the hell is this “straw man” you brought up?

I remember my Great Grandfather using that saying, but please explain what it means.

 

Misquote you is again your new shiny strawman? It would appear one is unable to do any better and have rendered oneself a stuck record. Sad but understandable since victim mentality and grievance projection have rendered the Trump Party a psychological crisis. Great Grandpa was likely a very wise man. Trump is and was the worse POTUS ever.

 

Completely off topic but again I ask: what is a “straw man?” As stated before, I’ve heard this word but I would appreciate you to explain its meaning.

 

Yeah, you seem unable to focus on the topic at hand, Trump is and was the worst POTUS ever, why vote for him twice?